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re: Can St. George duplicate what is going on in Central?

Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:25 am to
Posted by Huck Finn
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:25 am to
So, when Zachary and central "divided" the city, did it matter? The city of BR collectively yawned. Now, a decade removed, we see how much better they've done for themselves and wish to fix the crap show for those of us who care. However, now it's a huge knock-down fight, because there's real money to be lost here. Screw the children. We should all (Zachary and central included) feel guilty that most of the ne'er-do-wells, who largely refuse to better themselves have consolidated in NBR, and subsidize their school/city costs. Are we moving away from the problem? Sure thing. As should anyone who has the means and desire to protect their family. I don't see how that makes it right to vindictively expropriate our funds to pay for lazies.
I also don't subscribe to this bleak "Detroit decline " view of a future BR sans St George. There is a ton of industry that will continue to thrive. There will continue to be large companies moving in to provide jobs. If anything, having a great school system 10 minutes away in St George, instead of commuting from Zachary or Denham or ascension, would be a big selling point for young professionals.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
58953 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:31 am to
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Why do the unincorporated areas NEED to fund metro BR?


Because we can't erect the Berlin Wall?
Posted by Huck Finn
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2009
2460 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:33 am to
Because BR doesn't want to pare down their budget to something they could sustain without taking money from their neighbors?
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
58953 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:33 am to
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So, when Zachary and central "divided" the city, did it matter? The city of BR collectively yawned.


Of course they yawned, because neither Zachary or Central have ever been considered Baton Rouge, and because there was a Zachary and Central before hand. There is no such thing as a St. George. It's a made up entity.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126963 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:34 am to
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Now explain to us how 800million has anything to do with legacy costs.

*sigh*

I posted the EBR 2014 budget, which is approximately $800 million ($804.8 million to be exact).

YOU came up with the 10% figure of a possible amount of legacy costs due BR taxpayers if SG pulled out.

You wrote:
quote:

St.George would onlyneed tto pay 10-25% of that based on revenue contribution, moron.


So I used YOUR lowest percent of 10% to show you how much in legacy costs we might be talking about.

Again, it was YOUR percent I used. YOURS, not mine.

You quickly ran away from that number when I used YOUR 10% number X BR's annual budget of $800 million to arrive at estimated legacy costs of $80 million.

I personally believe the legacy costs are much higher, but I used YOUR percent just to show you how much the legacy costs might be using YOUR percent.

I didn't divide YOUR estimate. I never wrote that the total legacy costs are $800 million as you lied about earlier in this thread.

This was in the same thread where you made the stupid claim that SG's published budget showed a $20.5 million surplus AFTER legacy costs were included. I posted the SG budget from their website that specifically said the $20.5 million "surplus" was BEFORE legacy costs. LINK

It was also the same thread where you made the ridiculous claim that SG provided 60% of the total taxes of East Baton Rouge Parish.

I proved you wrong on that claim using simple math. If the SG budget shows a total of $80 million in revenues, how can that be 60% of EBR's revenue budget of $800.8 million?

You ran away from your lie quickly.

You are almost 100% wrong on everything you post involving math. And then you blame YOUR errors on me.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5892 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:34 am to
i think its going to go down like this..just about the time the SG movement gets enough signatures to break away EBR will grant them a breakaway school district but keep the tax base. its all a power move.
Posted by Huck Finn
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2009
2460 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:40 am to
That wouldn't be so bad, but it's a crime that it takes an angry mob of neglected residents storming city hall to get quality schools for their kids. Russian would still be pissed, though. He said he'd "vote early and often against" a hypothetical good school system in our part of town. Some folks will never be happy until we're all as miserable as them.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126963 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:44 am to
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Some folks will never be happy until we're all as miserable as them.

Based solely on the posts on this board by persons who say they live in the SG area, they are already truly miserable people. They hate their lives and everything involving living.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36178 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:44 am to
While my lazy azz was googling I found this in the Hayride:

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According to budget documents produced by the City-Parish, the $80 million collected in St. George is placed in a separate fund called the Unincorporated Fund. The $80 million in that fund is spent in three ways:
?$17.7 million is used to pay the expenses of the constitutional offices in the parish (those agencies established by the Louisiana Constitution), such as the 19th Judicial District, Family Court, Juvenile Court, District Attorney, Registrar of Voters, and Coroner.
?$10.4 million from the fund is used to pay the expenses of parishwide agencies, such as the Parish Prison, Juvenile Services, Animal Control, Parish Health Unit, Council on Aging, Crime Stoppers, and others.
?The remaining $52 million dollars is transferred directly to the City of Baton Rouge.


True/False? Any idea?

LINK /
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2769 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:44 am to
Clearly you need a reading comprehension class.

According to you, St.George only accounts for 10-25% of the city-parish revenue.

I then said, whatever the legacy costs are, our fair share would then be 10-25%, using your percentages. You brought in the 800 number.

Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2769 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:46 am to
True. There have been multiple articles referencing the judicial costs/family courts etc being 100% funded by the unincorporated areas.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126963 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:48 am to
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i think its going to go down like this..just about the time the SG movement gets enough signatures to break away EBR will grant them a breakaway school district but keep the tax base. its all a power move.
You may be correct about the last minute move to grant a new school district.

The only thing that might prevent it is the legislature would have to put the proposal of a new school district to a statewide vote to amend the La. constitution just like what happened with the creation of the Baker, Zachary and Central new school districts.

The proposal would have to pass statewide and within EBR. I'm not sure the rest of the state would support it.
Posted by Huck Finn
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2009
2460 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:48 am to
You serious, Clark? Most of us have lives that we enjoy. You fill up St George threads all day, bitter because you won't get to vote.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 9:57 am to
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That wouldn't be so bad, but it's a crime that it takes an angry mob of neglected residents storming city hall to get quality schools for their kids. Russian would still be pissed, though. He said he'd "vote early and often against" a hypothetical good school system in our part of town. Some folks will never be happy until we're all as miserable as them.


Tell you what's going to happen if it is approved. The new St. George will become a magnet for everyone living in Baton Rouge, many of the same you don't want there, and others who will be the final evacuees from the place, and all to take advantage of what is or what will be perceived as better schools for their kids. More new multi family housing will be erected in your St. George, and more older properties will go the way of tax credit and section eight, all to cater to the demand, and drive your new St. George in the proverbial gutter.

This will result in the urban blight taking over and growing at an exceedingly exponential rate than before as a result of the mass exodus in Baton Rouge, and in St. George, and judging from the pattern, guess what will happen to the rest of the city and it's commercial appeal and desirability, value, etc?

You will frick this city, all of it, including yourself, and nothing will stop it at that point. You might want to have a bug out plan in place. Perhaps Amite.


Maybe at that point we can get a party of the willing together to take over downtown and start another plague of people invading outward, but of people buying up that which the geniuses left and invest in our actual city, leaving the rest of you to your pastures and Walmart nonsense.

This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 10:05 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126963 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:03 am to
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According to you, St.George only accounts for 10-25% of the city-parish revenue.
It's not according to me.

When you claimed that SG pays 60% of the total taxes in EBR I asked you to prove it by doing the following calculations:

If the SG revenues, as shown by their own budget, is $80 million and the EBR total budget is $800 million, then what percent is $80 of $800 million.

Can you do that simple math calculation????

Then I said if you don't want to use the total EBR budget but only want to use the 'General Fund' total revenues for EBR, which is $299 million, what percent is $80 million of that number?

You have just proven you can't perform even simple math calculations if all you can do is claim the percentages are MY numbers.

quote:

I then said, whatever the legacy costs are, our fair share would then be 10-25%, using your percentages. You brought in the 800 number.
The percent of "our fair share" has to be applied to some base number, right?

You implied that range of percentages should be applied to the EBR total budget, and that is where I got the $800 million amount.

If you didn't intend to use the total EBR budget as the base figure to use in calculating legacy costs, what number would you like to apply the 10%-25% number to? I'd love you learn what your logic is on that!
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36178 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:04 am to
quote:

Tell you what's going to happen if it is approved. The new St. George will become a magnet for everyone living in Baton Rouge, many of the same you don't want there, and others who will be the final evacuees from the place, and all to take advantage of what is or what will be perceived as better schools for their kids. More new multi family housing will be erected, and more older properties will go the way of tax credit and section eight, all to cater to the demand, and drive your new St. George in the proverbial gutter. This will result in the urban blight taking over and growing at an exceedingly exponential rate than before as a result of the mass exodus. And judging from the pattern, guess what will happen to the rest of the city and it's commercial appeal and desirability, value, etc? You will frick this city, all of it, including yourself, and nothing will stop it at that point. You might want to have a bug out plan in place. Perhaps Amite. Maybe at that point we can get a party of the willing together to take over downtown and start another plague of people invading outward, but of people buying up that which the geniuses left and invest in our actual city, leaving the rest of you to your pastures and Walmart nonsense.


So to surmise, you are saying the bad element is going to leave us alone as long as we stay unincorporated, but if we get too prosperous look out. They will be in our new city in hordes.

Geez, we can't win can we?????
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5892 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:05 am to
my real opinion of this? elect better officals. i think its crazy that a city the size of baton rouge has so many problem with education. the state voucher system is throwing in the towel on education. if people would stop voting party lines and actually demand their canadates for office be able to fix problems the state and city would be a better place. and quit blaming north baton rouge for your problems. the crime and blight has been well contanied for years its like segregation never left this city.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126963 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:07 am to
quote:

Most of us have lives that we enjoy.
Not the ones who post on this board. They are miserable with their lives. It's obvious.
quote:

bitter because you won't get to vote.
I'm not bitter, Clark. I'm concerned a few malcontents are going to drag down our city and parish exactly how Mike da Tigah described it just because those malcontents are so miserable with their existence.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126963 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:08 am to
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my real opinion of this? elect better officals.
Exactly, which is what I posted in the thread I started Sunday about Norman Browning. He is exactly the type of person who I would like to see get on the school board or run for mayor.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5892 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:09 am to
this city is stronger united to fix the problem not split off and weaken the city.
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