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re: Bradley Manning sues to get Transgender Medical Treatment
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:10 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:10 pm to Vols&Shaft83
If someone is legitimately born with both sex organs, then I get that (though it's still not something taxpayers should have to pay to "fix").
However, that's not the case with the majority of these transgenders.
However, that's not the case with the majority of these transgenders.
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:12 pm to Jake88
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No, not for elective surgery.
Umm I'm pretty sure thats not true. So if you are deemed incompetent you can only get emergent surgeries?
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:15 pm to Sentrius
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(CNN) - Chelsea Manning, convicted of espionage and imprisoned at Fort Leavenworth, has filed a lawsuit in federal court, claiming he "has been denied access to medically necessary treatment" for his gender disorder.
The inmate known as Bradley Manning announced in August 2013, the day after his court sentencing, that he is female. Manning is suing to follow grooming standards such as growing his hair longer and using cosmetics, and to receive hormone treatment "in order to express his female gender," said the suit filed Tuesday in district court in Washington.
"He brings this action to compel defendants [Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and the federal government] to treat him serious medical needs consistent with their obligation under the Constitution," said the suit. If the requests are denied, said Manning's lawyers, he "will suffer continued pain, depression and anxiety and is at an extremely high risk of self-castration and suicidality."
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:17 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Umm I'm pretty sure thats not true. So if you are deemed incompetent you can only get emergent surgeries?
I believe so. Certainly not some cosmetic surgery whilst in the midst of some mental crisis.. Especially one like this while the guy is supposedly suicidal or a potential self mutilator per his attorney. But this is an argument for down the road. First, he'd have to pass a mental evaluation that follows him for a couple of years. I don't know that he's even done that.
Any doctor that operates on this guy at this time is a quack.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:36 pm to Sentrius
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I'm cool with the gays,bisexuals and lesbians
The very definition of flip flopping and you think it should be a protected class.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:45 pm to Mr.Perfect
I didn't say anything about protected classes and I don't even like protected classes; at least for the private sector as it should only apply to tax funded activities and buildings in the public sector.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 5:13 am to Sentrius
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I'm still calling it Bradley. I'm cool with the gays, bisexuals and lesbians in the LGB but the Transgender in the T is something I'm definitely not cool with.
How is your position any less bigoted ( their words) than the person who is against homosexuality and is labeled homophobe? If one group can claim," born this way" why can't the other?
Posted on 9/24/14 at 5:22 am to Revelator
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How is your position any less bigoted ( their words) than the person who is against homosexuality and is labeled homophobe? If one group can claim," born this way" why can't the other?
Because attraction is not a choice, cutting your dick off and playing dress up is.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:39 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Because attraction is not a choice, cutting your dick off and playing dress up is.
The transgender side hasn't had the amount of time to push their cause as the homosexuals, in time, thier position will have equal weight. And then, anyone opposed to it will be termed a bigot just like us who now oppose homosexuality. Welcome to the club!
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:45 am to Sentrius
frick it.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:48 am to udtiger
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frick it.
I'll pass.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:48 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Umm I'm pretty sure thats not true. So if you are deemed incompetent you can only get emergent surgeries?
If someone is not competent they need whomever is their designated, legal guardian to approve the surgery.
Had a guy who thought his gigantic hernia was his dick. Lawyer allowed the surgery to take place. Patient was sorta sad after he recovered. Lol
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:59 am to Paluka
A hernia repair can be consented to by a next of kin or legal guardian because it is in many cases an emergent/ urgent procedure because the bowel could become incarcerated which leads to ischemia and potentially death.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 9:26 am to Jake88
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A hernia repair can be consented to by a next of kin or legal guardian because it is in many cases an emergent/ urgent procedure because the bowel could become incarcerated which leads to ischemia and potentially death.
I understand your point. The guy I was referring to had no imminent threat from this hernia. It had been like this since birth (just getting larger) and was well supported by surrounding tissue (human body is amazing). However, there was potential for future problems but no compromising placement or necrotic tissue. My point is that they are all not emergency-type procedures. Unlike a physician that is faced with someone coming into the ER with a lacerated liver I am talking about my patients who, by law, are being treated for competence restoration and have medical issues. They get dental treatment, psychiatric medication and other treatments even though they do not agree to it or want it. Legal consent has been given and as long as everyone believes they are covered legally then treatment occurs.
As far as Manning is concerned I agree that he must be cleared psychiatrically prior to pre-op hormonal replacements and so forth. It's a universally-accepted protocal.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 9:44 am to Paluka
In La if they are pretrial and committed inpatient and refuse treatment, they can be force medicated and forced to have non surgical procedures such as colonoscopies and liver biopsies but for surgery it has to go before the court.
I understand your point but the example you have is still one that repairs a pathological condition. The gender reassignment or other type of cosmetic procedure would not happen with some sort of substituted consent. It's my experience that surgeons are reluctant to do any procedure on those with active mental illness and want to consent without a court order.
I understand your point but the example you have is still one that repairs a pathological condition. The gender reassignment or other type of cosmetic procedure would not happen with some sort of substituted consent. It's my experience that surgeons are reluctant to do any procedure on those with active mental illness and want to consent without a court order.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 10:48 am to Jake88
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understand your point but the example you have is still one that repairs a pathological condition.
True but not really at this point. Once a hernia gets that large and has been around that long, the risk of incarceration/strangulation and subsequent ischemia is exceedingly low. You only repair them if the patient wants to bc its annoying and bothering him (kind of like this guys dick
) But as long as the next of kin or surrogate decision maker is making decisions based on what he beliefs the patient would do for himself, he can 100% consent to these type of elective procedures.
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