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re: Birth control is largely for recreational behavior, right?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:51 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:51 pm to OMLandshark
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I disagree that this is a problem of the governmen
if welfare is the problem, then it's a problem with government. welfare is purely state-based
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:52 pm to 10888bge
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iirc the ruling states that if the belief of the owners is strongly held due to their religious beliefs, then it is in violation of the constitution. The fact that HL's beliefs don't come in to play when dealing with another business generating entity could prove that HB's beliefs aren't that strongly held.
Well that didn't address anything I said.
Eta: Let's say I'm a German Mennonite and I order widgets from a machine shop in Tennessee. Does that mean I support the Iraq war?
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if welfare is the problem, then it's a problem with government. welfare is purely state-based
It's not really welfare that is the problem, it provides no incentive for them to contribute to society, and thus the people. Welfare as far as I'm concerned should be a highly unpleasant experience that you want to escape as soon as possible and contribute to the system.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:59 pm to RollTide1987
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:02 pm to OMLandshark
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My plan is completely voluntary. If you want government cheese, then there is going to have to be some hard criteria that you're going to have to meet.
I'm sorry, but you are not going to get me to agree with forcing extremely invasive, irreversible surgical procedures against someone's will. Thats beyond unethical.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:07 pm to OMLandshark
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It's not really welfare that is the problem, it provides no incentive for them to contribute to society, and thus the people.
Umm, so welfare is the problem because it provides no incentives,
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Welfare as far as I'm concerned should be a highly unpleasant experience that you want to escape as soon as possible and contribute to the system.
Umm, so welfare is the problem because it isnt highly unpleasant etc etc.
Dude. One hit too many. Its all good, happens to the best of us sometimes
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:09 pm to onmymedicalgrind
My only point is that Welfare isn't necessarily a GOVERNMENT problem. They clearly don't give a shite. It is the average American's problem though.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so, the ACA (a public act) infringing on the religious rights of the individuals forming the corporation of Hobby Lobby? that falls under the RFRA (or Free Exercise analysis)
The individuals only have to hold ,by law now, 50.1% of the controlling stock I think. So do the viewpoints of the other stock holders mean nothing. IMO laws should be made to protect the minority from majority actions and beliefs that are detrimental to the minorities well being. The BC pill and the need of use by employees should not be determined by religious viewpoint. Religion and science do not mix.
It might seem silly to you but then you are in the "winner's" circle and are not inclined to see the other side of the fence. Your view point has been upheld and the other view point has been rendered null. The ACA IMO is utter bullshite. I am asking these questions because I firmly believe that all freedoms under the constitution should be tested and tested again for good or bad. Some take to the Right to Bear Arms as the highest form of freedom, others uphold the Right to Free Speach. Myself, freedom to believe in whatever you want is tops on my list. These questions are for discussion sake alone.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:14 pm to NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:20 pm to the808bass
If I were trying to compare horse drawn carriages to war then yes the comparison is stupid. HL religiously disagrees so much with abortion it took its fight to the SCOTUS all from pills that could be used to abortion, yet gladly do business with China who openly supports infanticide and abortion. Both business decisions have abortion in the mix. I am not saying it is right or wrong. Just that it is hypocrisy.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:27 pm to 10888bge
They don't do business with China. They do business with Chinese businesses. You've missed that rather clear distinction twice now. I'll assume it's purposefully missed from this point on.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:43 pm to the808bass
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They don't do business with China. They do business with Chinese businesses. You've missed that rather clear distinction twice now. I'll assume it's purposefully missed from this point on.
Assume what you will. It would seem that is your default setting. 95% of the factories and exportable goods are controlled by China. I don't mean that they pay taxes. I mean the Chinese gov't is active in the day to day affairs. The businesses are CHina and China is the business. And it is not a closely held secret. That is where the argument holds up. Now If I were to have used Australia, if the gov;t there supported abortions which they don't, your point would be spot on.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:53 pm to 10888bge
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95% of the factories and exportable goods are controlled by China.
That's just not true any longer.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:53 pm to 10888bge
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The BC pill and the need of use by employees should not be determined by religious viewpoint.
Don't the employees of Hobby lobby still have the opportunity to get about 16 different birth control pills from their insurance plan?
The religious viewpoint of the business owner would not come in to play if the government wasn't FORCING them to provide healthcare, in many cases, against their will. Do you care about those liberties trampled upon?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:28 pm to GumboPot
This is so incredibly stupid that I can't comprehend it. Supremes ruled that a business doesn't have to pay for abortion. If they are the providers of insurance. And they are family owned. HL already pays for all contraceptives. Just not abortion. If you want that as your main goal, don't take your company plan. Go with obamacare.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 9:17 am to sportjunkie69
I will take a different spin here. If the govt wants to pay for drugs to keep liberals from reproducing I am all for it. Besides we already have enough drags on society. Why do you want them to keep reproducing?
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