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Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:08 am to Choctaw
I'm ignorant. What's the difference between 1 and 3? Why do I need to "estimate to the nearest liter," when I can tell you exactly how much is in there?
I'm not ready for "critical thinking."
I'm not ready for "critical thinking."
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:11 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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And where can I read about this proven results,
Like the jobs, they don't exist yet.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:12 am to The Stash
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Common Core is a set of standards NOT a curriculum.
Stop with these rational statements. They're a buzz-kill.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:13 am to The Stash
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Common Core is a set of standards
so what are the standards?
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NOT a curriculum
interesting
commoncore.org
they sure do like to throw the word "curriculum" around alot for not being....you know...a curriculum.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 8:17 am
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:16 am to The Stash
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Posted by The Stash Common Core is a set of standards NOT a curriculum.
Oh come on.
Are you saying that adoption of the standards doesn't directly impact curriculum?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:22 am to Choctaw
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commoncore.org
they sure do like to throw the word "curriculum" around alot for not being....you know...a curriculum
Really ?????
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:25 am to Turbeauxdog
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Oh come on.
Are you saying that adoption of the standards doesn't directly impact curriculum?
I am saying that no curriculum is mandated by common core. Any school or school district can choose any curriculum they wish.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 8:26 am
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:25 am to arseinclarse
Feds need to be out of education.
Completely.
If the feds want to make a policy statement to the effect that "It would be great if kids' performance in math, science, reading were at X by 2020, and here's a suggestion on how you can do that." That's fine.
If they want to say, "If you get your kids to X by 2020, we'll pay you $1000 per kid but your state and local school officials have complete latitude as to how to achieve that result [without cheating, of course], go." That's fine.
Otherwise, this is all bullshite.
Completely.
If the feds want to make a policy statement to the effect that "It would be great if kids' performance in math, science, reading were at X by 2020, and here's a suggestion on how you can do that." That's fine.
If they want to say, "If you get your kids to X by 2020, we'll pay you $1000 per kid but your state and local school officials have complete latitude as to how to achieve that result [without cheating, of course], go." That's fine.
Otherwise, this is all bullshite.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:27 am to The Stash
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:29 am to arseinclarse
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"preparing them for jobs that don't exist yet."
Thats what they tell people to sell those liberal arts degrees...
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:31 am to The Stash
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am saying that no curriculum is mandated by common core. Any school or school district can choose any curriculum they wish
That's a bs cop out to give the illusion of local control over curriculum. If it didn't directly impact curriculum it would be pointless.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:34 am to navy
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Disagree.
I posted this a couple months ago...Dr. Keith Devlin, a professor of Mathematics at Stanford states the eight principles of CC mathematics are:
-Make sense of problems and persevere in solving them.
-Reason abstractly and quantitatively.
-Construct viable arguments and critique the reasoning of others.
-Model with mathematics.
-Use appropriate tools strategically.
-Attend to precision.
-Look for and make use of structure.
-Look for and express regularity in repeated reasoning.
...which of these do you disagree with?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:38 am to brgfather129
Stupid math problems existed prior to CC.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:45 am to Choctaw
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better?
I still do not see what you are getting at? Both of these links were a curriculum developed by someone (first link I think it was a company that was selling their curriculum to school districts and this link shows what the New York State Education Department developed).
Once again Common Core does not mandate curriculum.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 8:46 am
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:16 am to Turbeauxdog
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I've never heard people so up in arms over curriculum, and I doubt most of the rabble rousers could even describe the structure of their children's current curriculum. However, I think you can have an opinion that is rational, has nothing to do with the curriculums merits and it can still be a valid point.
From what I understand, the federal government is looking to provide cash tied to adoption of and performance related to this curriculum. That for a lot of people is enough to oppose it...rationally.
I think it was a critical mistake to get into bed with the Feds on this.
I'd like to caveat by saying I need to do much much more research on the topic
I have typed this out before, but since you seem like you might be open to different view on this.
Two things about Federal money:
1. Every state gets No Child Left Behind money for testing. Even states that don't do Common Core testing. However since Jindal has suspended the contract that does ALL the testing, Louisiana won't qualify for those funds this school year (unless a solution is found). I guess kids will be happy not to have testing though, so there is that. If only elementary schools students could vote in Republican Presidential Primaries, Jindal might have a winning strategy.
2. Common Core was developed by the National Governor's Association and the Chief School Officers Association. No federal money was involved. When the states that worked on it wanted to start working on implementing it (developing the test, doing field assessments, etc) they applied for a Race to the Top Grant and got it. That grant helped pay for the development cost of creating the testing "blueprint". I suppose that one could make the argument the the Feds might have used this grant to influence the outcome, but I don't think there is any evidence of that.
However even if that was true each state still has to hire a vendor to develop the actual test (including the actual questions used). And they don't get any extra money to use particular questions.
So I really don't get the Federal intervention argument
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:23 am to VOR
"For the past four years, we've been prepared, and we've been sticking to the Common Core standards and they're working. Test results have shown they are working," said Courtney Dumas, a teacher in Ascension Parish. "Two weeks from [Wednesday] I begin my school year, and with all this uncertainty, it's not acceptable."
I spoke with teachers familiar with CC use in Ascension Parish, It hasn't been used for 4 years unless it was a pilot program that my friend said she "should have been aware of". But the 4 year thing doesn't make since to me.
A big boost to CC defenders would be to make public the findings and method of finding the results.
I spoke with teachers familiar with CC use in Ascension Parish, It hasn't been used for 4 years unless it was a pilot program that my friend said she "should have been aware of". But the 4 year thing doesn't make since to me.
A big boost to CC defenders would be to make public the findings and method of finding the results.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:27 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
Well pretty much any change in louisiana would be for the better...
In fact with LA's past, doing the exact opposite of what has been going on there would probably be better
In fact with LA's past, doing the exact opposite of what has been going on there would probably be better
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:11 am to RollTheRock
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In fact with LA's past, doing the exact opposite of what has been going on there would probably be better
Can someone please explain the problems with the cirriculum of the 50's, 60's, 70's or even 80's?
The only thing that changes is technology which should help keep students engaged but the basics will always be reading, writing, math, history, and science.
The system has become top heavy with administration and even more politicized but we put the students through testing and the motivation of the results have led the teachers to teach the test instead of teaching the basics.
I'm sure common core likely started out innocent enough to address some perceived deficiency but like any new govt program that addresses a societal issue it eventually becomes corrupted where the people involved use it for their own power and control(see the dept of homeland security monster)
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:15 am to Zephyrius
The problem with education is the fricking teachers.
We used to teach grade school kids latin and algebra.
Now algebra and basic english are college courses.
it's a fricking disgrace.
WE NEED TO frickING DRILL THE SKILLS.
We used to teach grade school kids latin and algebra.
Now algebra and basic english are college courses.
it's a fricking disgrace.
WE NEED TO frickING DRILL THE SKILLS.
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