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Argument Tip: "Radical Islamic Terrorist" v. "White Supremacist" or "Alt-Right"

Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:36 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:36 am
so while pondering over morning coffee and CNN/FB this morning, something hit me. this local media personality who is histrionic about the election and the boogeymen being created commented about Time giving Trump its person of the year award with this:

quote:

Above is the explanation from TIME magazine for their choice. In my opinion, they really went wayyyyy too easy on both Trump and his most fervent supporters when writing this explanation.


then CNN rolled a clip discussing Obama's comments about the war on terror yesterday and they did the progressive rhetoric tactic of ensuring that they mention that radicals are only a small % of the total muslim population...and it kind of hit me...progs are literally using the same arguments about "white supremacists" or the "AltRight" that they criticize when a discussion about Islamic terrorism arises. just think about it

-small, vocal minority group within a group? check
-does that group hold extremist views outside of normal society? yes
-is that group responsible for extremist behavior that the normal society would never engage in? yes
-are people using a broad brush for the entire group when focusing on the minority group? yes
-does using these labels by the general group strengthe the group identification and the resolve of the minority group? yes

now, obviously radical jihadists actually do kill people and the effects of the minority groups are very different, BUT, in terms of rhetoric, it's the exact same argument. so when you feel free to discuss this with your progressive friends, feel free to use this argument
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:38 am to
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"Radical Islamic Terrorist" v. "White Supremacist" or "Alt-Right"

1 of these is not like the others
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:38 am to
you obviously did not read
Posted by CoachChappy
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:39 am to
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now, obviously radical jihadists actually do kill people


That's not a detail you can just speed past.
Posted by GurleyGirl
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:41 am to
You are of course correct. One of many ongoing examples of the celebrated double-standard employed by the liberal progressive media in controlling the narrative.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:44 am to
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That's not a detail you can just speed past.

hence why the thread title starts with "argument tip"

this is about rhetoric. not a direct comparison of the 2 groups

hell, the Alt-Right and Jihadists are political enemies of the highest order
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:44 am to
quote:

You are of course correct. One of many ongoing examples of the celebrated double-standard employed by the liberal progressive media in controlling the narrative.

thank you for taking the time to actually read the OP
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:44 am to
More locally, look at their treatment of the BLMers.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:47 am to
I don't think progressives love ISIS though. There issue is not that they can't distinguish between radical-Islam and moderate-Islam it's that they refuse to do so.

If you say there is no difference then the leftist would assume that all Islam is moderate and the far righties would assume all Islam is radical.

We know this is not true.


The same can be said with "white supremacist" except for the fact that white supremacist are not killing people to the level that ISIS is in 2016.

The "alt-right" can be totally taken out of this comparison. The alt-right is simply a collection of weaponized autistic people fighting the great meme war of 2016 on the internet.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:50 am to
Libs are hypocrites. This is known.

The entire racial argument has many similar inconsistencies.



Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:53 am to
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If you say there is no difference then the leftist would assume that all Islam is moderate and the far righties would assume all Islam is radical.

very few leftists believe that and only a small minority of righties believe that

the vast majority of everyone understands there are secular muslims, moderate muslims, islamists, and jihadists. the prog narrative is that they don't even like using the term "Radical islam" so that (a) they don't group all muslims together as radical and (b) to not embolden the radicals by legitimizing them

this EXACT argument applies to the "white supremacists" and "alt-right", but the progs are pushing THAT narrative. they are both grouping all of their opponents as the most radical opponents AND emboldening the extremists at the pole by validating them as a bigger portion of the main group than they are

i mean frick, they're even doing the "if you don't publicly criticize and isolate yourself from the radicals, you're enabling the radicals" argument. that is literally the exact argument they criticize with the muslim angle
Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:59 am to
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so when you feel free to discuss this with your progressive friends, feel free to use this argument
Because two wrongs make a right. Got it.



P.S. As usual, this isn't about left vs. right, it's about the establishment creating these ridiculous memes for us to fight amongst ourselves over (divide and conquer).

Why do you continue to fall for these traps?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:02 am to
quote:

Because two wrongs make a right. Got it.

it's pointing out logical inconsistency

how else do you try to show flaws in your opponents' arguments?

quote:

P.S. As usual, this isn't about left vs. right, it's about the establishment creating these ridiculous memes for us to fight amongst ourselves over (divide and conquer).

Why do you continue to fall for these traps?

...bruh
Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:07 am to
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it's pointing out logical inconsistency

how else do you try to show flaws in your opponents' arguments?

Keep playing the game. Your owners depend on it.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:08 am to
quote:

Keep playing the game. Your owners depend on it.
25,331 posts of the same.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:08 am to
he's not even really saying anything differently than i am
Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:20 am to
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Keep playing the game. Your owners depend on it.

25,331 posts of the same.
Truth remains the truth every day. Not sure why that seems to trip you up.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:20 am to
quote:

Truth remains the truth every day
Yepper
Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:22 am to
quote:

he's not even really saying anything differently than i am
You're perpetuating the juvenile game that's been set up to occupy your time.

I would never do that.

So, no, we aren't saying anything close to the same thing.
Posted by geauxtigahs87
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
26267 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:39 am to
quote:

Radical Islamic Terrorist

Has brown skin
quote:

Alt-Right

Has white skin

That's pretty much all the left cares about concerning your argument. Don't waste their time by pointing out the double standard you evil racist you.

quote:

-small, vocal minority group within a group? check
-does that group hold extremist views outside of normal society? yes
-is that group responsible for extremist behavior that the normal society would never engage in? yes
-are people using a broad brush for the entire group when focusing on the minority group? yes
-does using these labels by the general group strengthe the group identification and the resolve of the minority group? y

Could make a good meme out of this
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