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AP: Trump administration has been quietly engaged in back channel diplomacy

Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:49 am
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:49 am
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Beyond the bluster, the Trump administration has been quietly engaged in back channel diplomacy with North Korea for several months, addressing Americans imprisoned in the communist country and deteriorating relations between the long-time foes, The Associated Press has learned.

It had been known the two sides had discussions to secure the June release of an American university student. But it wasn’t known until now that the contacts have continued, or that they have broached matters other than U.S. detainees.

People familiar with the contacts say the interactions have done nothing thus far to quell tensions over North Korea’s nuclear weapons and missile advances, which are now fueling fears of military confrontation. But they say the behind-the-scenes discussions could still be a foundation for more serious negotiation, including on North Korea’s nuclear weapons, should President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un put aside the bellicose rhetoric of recent days and endorse a dialogue.

The contacts are occurring regularly between Joseph Yun, the U.S. envoy for North Korea policy, and Pak Song Il, a senior North Korean diplomat at the country’s U.N. mission, according to U.S. officials and others briefed on the process. They weren’t authorized to discuss the confidential exchanges and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Officials call it the “New York channel.” Yun is the only U.S. diplomat in contact with any North Korean counterpart. The communications largely serve as a way to exchange messages, allowing Washington and Pyongyang to relay information.

Drowned out by the furor over Trump’s warning to North Korea of “fire and fury like the world has never seen,” Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has expressed a willingness to entertain negotiations. His condition: Pyongyang stopping tests of missiles that can now potentially reach the U.S. mainland.

Tillerson has even hinted at an ongoing back channel. “We have other means of communication open to them, to certainly hear from them if they have a desire to want to talk,” he said at an Asian security meeting in the Philippines this week.

The interactions could point to a level of pragmatism in the Trump administration’s approach to the North Korean threat, despite the president’s dire warnings.


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Trump, in some ways, has been more flexible in his approach to North Korea than President Barack Obama. While variations of the New York channel have been used on-and-off for years by past administrations, there were no discussions over the last seven months of Obama’s presidency after Pyongyang broke them off in anger over U.S. sanctions imposed on its leader, Kim. Obama made little effort to reopen lines of communication.

The contacts quickly restarted after Trump’s inauguration, other people familiar with the discussions say.

“Contrary to the public vitriol of the moment, the North Koreans were willing to reopen the New York channel following the election of President Trump and his administration signaled an openness to engage and ‘talk about talks,’” said Keith Luse, executive director of the National Committee on North Korea, a U.S.-based group that promotes U.S.-North Korean engagement.

“However, the massive trust deficit in Pyongyang and in Washington toward each other has impeded the confidence-building process necessary to have constructive dialogue,” he said.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:51 am to
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Trump administration has been quietly engaged in back channel diplomacy
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Posted by Adam Banks
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:52 am to



As always in their faux indignation in order to impress their torch mob entourage they failed to do their due diligence and actually see that hes not a terrible president.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:53 am to
Seriously, is this not obvious? Team Trump got 15 countries including China and Russia to sign off on NK sanctions. You don't do that with tweets.
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Posted by WheelRoute
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:53 am to
Sounds like what we've come to expect from this admin:

a) Trump undermines himself and his cabinet in public
b) One hand doesn't know what the other is doing

It'd be nice to believe this is some clever strategic gambit that will resolve the situation peacefully, but that would run counter to everything we know a/b Trump and his admin thus far. Seems like wishful thinking.
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:53 am to
But I was assured that Trump would use his little hands to fire off nukes from his Twitter at the first sign of slight from a foreign enemy!
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:55 am to
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It'd be nice to believe this is some clever strategic gambit that will resolve the situation peacefully, but that would run counter to everything we know a/b Trump and his admin thus far. Seems like wishful thinking.



You say that, but look at the success rate on so many fronts. How long until you give credit for it working?
Posted by Adam Banks
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:59 am to
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Sounds like what we've come to expect from this admin:

a) Trump undermines himself and his cabinet in public
b) One hand doesn't know what the other is doing

It'd be nice to believe this is some clever strategic gambit that will resolve the situation peacefully, but that would run counter to everything we know a/b Trump and his admin thus far. Seems like wishful thinking.





The economy is roaring, manufacturing is returning, illegal immigration is decreasing, Syria has calmed down, we got Otto Wambier back (unfortunately shamefully too late).


The media ignores this and reports on Russia even though multiple outlets and sources say the collusion narrative is horeshit.
Posted by gthog61
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:03 am to
Seems like you are exactly the sort of dupe he likes to use the media to misdirect
Posted by LSUnation78
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:05 am to
You have an incredibly uninformed and simplistic understanding of international affairs and machinations of diplomacy.
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:08 am to
Regardless of whether or not what the AP is reporting is true, I think we all would like a diplomatic solution to resolve this clusterfrick.

@Wheelroute, did you ever consider that those backchannel negotiations could be via proxy while State tells the reporters something entirely different?
Posted by 9th life
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:09 am to
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But I was assured that Trump would use his little hands to fire off nukes from his Twitter at the first sign of slight from a foreign enemy!


He didn't fire off nukes, but he undermined the efforts of those historic sanctions imposed on DPRK.

We had the unanimous backing of the international community to turn the screws on DPRK and bring them to yield. Instead, we opted to rush into an escalation the first second they bucked at those sanctions.

Posted by Boks
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:09 am to
As I've posted before, I don't know what the answer is for NK but hope they don't just keep kicking the can down the road. If going forward nukes are the worry, UN inspectors won't work. Military option is too deadly to SK and Japan.
Posted by WheelRoute
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:09 am to
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The economy is roaring, manufacturing is returning, illegal immigration is decreasing, Syria has calmed down, we got Otto Wambier back (unfortunately shamefully too late).


The economy is operating exactly as it has been for years (which is to say modestly), manufacturing jobs are at 1940s levels (and while rising, were doing so before Trump), illegal immigration deportations are happening less often under Trump than Obama, Syria is a powder keg, and we got back Otto Warmbier's corpse.

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The media ignores this and reports on Russia even though multiple outlets and sources say the collusion narrative is horeshit.



The media doesn't ignore any of this. Pick a topic and I bet I can find an article on it from NYT/WaPo/CNN/etc. And no one knows whether Russia is horseshite. We'll see when the investigation--you do realize there's an FBI investigation into collusion going on, right?--wraps up. I suspect it will not end well for many connected to Trump.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:10 am to
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AP: Trump administration has been quietly engaged in back channel diplomacy
you don't fricking say? are the media really this dense?

Trump said he was TAPPED.

MSM mind was blown for months. it is like they are retarded.

but Obama got on and stuttered for 20 minutes and they said NOTHING.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:10 am to
Trump is accidentally winning on every front.

-wheelroute
Posted by WheelRoute
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:11 am to
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You have an incredibly uninformed and simplistic understanding of international affairs and machinations of diplomacy.



Sure, that's possible. No one is in a position where they can't stand to learn more. So, educate me. What am I missing?
Posted by WheelRoute
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:13 am to
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Trump is accidentally winning on every front.

-wheelroute


If you guys are happy with the poor results in the first six months of his presidency then who I am to complain, really? But I thought you guys had higher expectations than a SC appointment (mostly McConnell's doing, anyways) and a continuation of Obama's economic growth.
Posted by RonLaFlamme
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:16 am to
Seems more like good cop, bad cop scenario with Trump playing the role of bad cop. Pretty standard negotiation strategy.
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:19 am to
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and a continuation of Obama's economic growth.




This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 10:20 am
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