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Another Perspective on the Abortion Argument- Civil War Comparison
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:43 pm
This is kind of long. But I wanted to share this.
I get that most of your think abortion is a horrible practice. I have already stated my belief in that abortion should be conditional (rape, death).
However, I think we are taking this the wrong way. I honestly do not think morality or religion is why so many GOP politicians are against abortion. I think it's the economic realities of what happens in post-abortion America.
In the Civil War, slavery was a contested issue that became the major issue in the late stages. The Southern leadership knew that eventually, the technological advancements were making slavery obsolete. However, the problem was that free slaves meant having a larger population of people in your country. They did not have the structure like the Union for mass factorization, so total assimilation would arguably take more time and premature end of slavery could (and did) hurt the overall economy.
In context with abortion, it's the reality that more people born to poorer people will inevitably lead to more people on welfare and thus a stronger strain on government funds. Also (and this is sadistic) but more poor people will typically find themselves voting for social reforms ie Democratic.
Now we can go on about personal responsibility and many other accolades on how people should act. But we can not ignore the fact of how people will act. You can not legislate personal responsibility.
I am not saying we should just let poor decision makers control everything. But I also realize the harsh reality of how these things typically work and politicians, at the end of the day, care about money and votes not our personal beliefs on what makes a good society.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:48 pm to volod
Slavery is worse than murder, are you dumb dude!
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:49 pm to volod
quote:a very naive stance. If you outlaw abortion(as any decent nation would) except for rape or death, the number of pregnancies that would lead to death would rise astronomically.
. I have already stated my belief in that abortion should be conditional (rape, death).
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:49 pm to volod
"Republicans should legalize abortion because it will reduce the amount of democrats!"
This sounds like one hell of a winning strategy. Let's see how well your idea is received.
This sounds like one hell of a winning strategy. Let's see how well your idea is received.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:55 pm to volod
I hate this argument more than "my body my choice". I don't have a problem with abortion under the rihgt circumstances.
Its still murdering an unborn child, and as it stands its nothing more than a convenience for lazy irresponsible fricks to get out of being an adult.
Less than 2% of aborions are from rape/incest/health reasons. Majority are performed on "repeat aborters" on their 2nd, 3rd, 4th +.
You may as well justify reckless driving because hey if the idiot kills themself thats one less idiot in society.
Stop letting people use it as a tool to avoid responsibility. If youre worried about financial implications on society then push for legislation that eliminates monetary compensation for people who breed irresponsibly.
Maybe bitches will be more likely to keep thair legs closed if they know each kid wont score them an extra 2500 come tax season
Its still murdering an unborn child, and as it stands its nothing more than a convenience for lazy irresponsible fricks to get out of being an adult.
Less than 2% of aborions are from rape/incest/health reasons. Majority are performed on "repeat aborters" on their 2nd, 3rd, 4th +.
You may as well justify reckless driving because hey if the idiot kills themself thats one less idiot in society.
Stop letting people use it as a tool to avoid responsibility. If youre worried about financial implications on society then push for legislation that eliminates monetary compensation for people who breed irresponsibly.
Maybe bitches will be more likely to keep thair legs closed if they know each kid wont score them an extra 2500 come tax season
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:56 pm to volod
The solution to people abusing welfare is to kill off their progeny? I don't think that's a good solution. Perhaps we should deincentivize having children that you can't take care of through welfare reform.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:07 pm to Collegedropout
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:09 pm to volod
quote:I don't understand the rape one. The main reason to ban abortion is due to arguments for life of the unborn. The unborn have nothing to do with rape.
conditional (rape
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:12 pm to airfernando
quote:
If you outlaw abortion(as any decent nation would) except for rape or death, the number of pregnancies that would lead to death would rise astronomically.
Since 100% of abortions lead to death, your statement is a mathematical impossibility.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:14 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
I don't understand the rape one. The main reason to ban abortion is due to arguments for life of the unborn. The unborn have nothing to do with rape.
This is true. The rape position is one that many pro lifers likely make as a compromise.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:19 pm to volod
quote:
I honestly do not think morality or religion is why so many GOP politicians are against abortion.
The Bible condemns the killing of innocents.
It doesn't condemn slavery.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:39 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
The unborn have nothing to do with rape
Agreed. The child did not choose to be conceived via a heinous act. Saying that it is ok to kill terminate them implies that they are lesser human beings than those conceived by consensual sex.
That being said I can definitely understand how having the child can be a severe emotional stress on the mother. She would basically be reminded of her rape every time she sees her child.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:40 pm to volod
I refuse to read anything that compares slavery to abortion
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:44 pm to volod
Didn't read that but I did stop to throw a downvote your way.
Though I do I admire your trolling more than just about any of the other greats here.
Though I do I admire your trolling more than just about any of the other greats here.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:03 pm to volod
quote:
But I also realize the harsh reality of how these things typically work and politicians, at the end of the day, care about money and votes not our personal beliefs on what makes a good society.
Abortion is actually the one issue that contradicts that. Pro-lifers are completely aware that those aren't future Republicans that are being aborted.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:07 pm to volod
If you believe in exceptions then you don't believe it is murder.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:10 pm to airfernando
I'd love to see two lists. One with every country that has abortion outlawed. One with the rest. Let's see which list you want to be on then.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:12 pm to TrueTiger
quote:
The Bible condemns the killing of innocents.
The Bible doesn't say anything about person-hood in the womb either.
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