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an easy fix for obamacare, one we can all agree with!
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:06 am
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:06 am
Aetna said Thursday that it will exit Iowa’s individual public ACA exchange in 2018, due to financial risk and uncertainty about the ACA’s future, Forbes reported.
The news is a double whammy for Iowans who get healthcare coverage under the Affordable Care Act, coming just days after Wellmark Blue Cross Blue Shield announced it will not sell plans in Iowa next year.
That leaves 94 counties, including Des Moines, with one insurer, Medica. Five other Iowa counties down to two payers — Medica and Gunderson Health Plan, according to the Washington Examiner.
Insurers have blamed their difficulties on too few young and healthy patients signing up for ACA plans. To curb their losses, they have resorted to higher premiums and fewer options.
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obviously the individual mandate isn't severe enough. if that's not self evident then the fact that we allow the IRS to collect that penalty only if you have a refund due should be.
to fix this we don't even need congress, it would only require tom price to raise the penalty and steve mnuchin to set lose the IRS to collect the penalty using their complete complement of collection methods.
namely asset forfeiture and wage garnishment. that will get those millennial scoff laws attention!
"Drinkin hot chocolate! gettin my wages garnished!"
politically this is a no brainier the millennial's voted for obama they wanted this, they're not trump's constituency who cares if they get punished, let them learn a valuable lesson.
after all they do this in EUROPE!
In a recently published article in Vox, Princeton’s Uwe Reinhardt was asked why the healthcare systems in Switzerland, Germany and the Netherlands – all of which have laws in place mandating health insurance coverage and like the United States primarily rely on private insurers to expand coverage – are working well, while our marketplaces under the Affordable Care Act are currently struggling. His response:
When they run these exchanges, they accompany them with a very harsh mandate. If you don’t obey the mandate, the Swiss find out, and they go after you and garnish your wages. If you’re not insured, they’ll look at your wages and recoup the premiums you owe. They’re very tough. And, we’ve never been that tough.
For example, if after notice from the government, a Swiss citizen fails to sign up for insurance, Swiss cantons – the equivalent of states in the U.S. – can impose a penalty ranging from 30 percent to 50 percent above the cost of insurance premiums. If after three months the uninsured still doesn’t pick a plan, the authorities choose one for them, and allow insurers to sue for unpaid premiums.
The Germans impose hefty fines, that after a multi-step process of late fees, can climb to as much as $12,000. In the Netherlands, after a series of fines go unpaid, a bailiff may come to collect. Then the government may pick a health plan on a citizen’s behalf and deduct the cost of the premium from their pay with the help of their employer. If after six months a citizen still fails to pay, their insurance premiums spike.
freedom baby, yeah!
The news is a double whammy for Iowans who get healthcare coverage under the Affordable Care Act, coming just days after Wellmark Blue Cross Blue Shield announced it will not sell plans in Iowa next year.
That leaves 94 counties, including Des Moines, with one insurer, Medica. Five other Iowa counties down to two payers — Medica and Gunderson Health Plan, according to the Washington Examiner.
Insurers have blamed their difficulties on too few young and healthy patients signing up for ACA plans. To curb their losses, they have resorted to higher premiums and fewer options.
LINK
obviously the individual mandate isn't severe enough. if that's not self evident then the fact that we allow the IRS to collect that penalty only if you have a refund due should be.
to fix this we don't even need congress, it would only require tom price to raise the penalty and steve mnuchin to set lose the IRS to collect the penalty using their complete complement of collection methods.
namely asset forfeiture and wage garnishment. that will get those millennial scoff laws attention!
"Drinkin hot chocolate! gettin my wages garnished!"
politically this is a no brainier the millennial's voted for obama they wanted this, they're not trump's constituency who cares if they get punished, let them learn a valuable lesson.
after all they do this in EUROPE!
In a recently published article in Vox, Princeton’s Uwe Reinhardt was asked why the healthcare systems in Switzerland, Germany and the Netherlands – all of which have laws in place mandating health insurance coverage and like the United States primarily rely on private insurers to expand coverage – are working well, while our marketplaces under the Affordable Care Act are currently struggling. His response:
When they run these exchanges, they accompany them with a very harsh mandate. If you don’t obey the mandate, the Swiss find out, and they go after you and garnish your wages. If you’re not insured, they’ll look at your wages and recoup the premiums you owe. They’re very tough. And, we’ve never been that tough.
For example, if after notice from the government, a Swiss citizen fails to sign up for insurance, Swiss cantons – the equivalent of states in the U.S. – can impose a penalty ranging from 30 percent to 50 percent above the cost of insurance premiums. If after three months the uninsured still doesn’t pick a plan, the authorities choose one for them, and allow insurers to sue for unpaid premiums.
The Germans impose hefty fines, that after a multi-step process of late fees, can climb to as much as $12,000. In the Netherlands, after a series of fines go unpaid, a bailiff may come to collect. Then the government may pick a health plan on a citizen’s behalf and deduct the cost of the premium from their pay with the help of their employer. If after six months a citizen still fails to pay, their insurance premiums spike.
freedom baby, yeah!
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:07 am to tedmarkuson
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an easy fix for obamacare,
Make it legal to sell health insurance like a commodity.
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Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:14 am to tedmarkuson
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an easy fix for obamacare
Time to be an adult and understand it's become nothing more than a rabid animal. As such it needs to be put down, just like Old Yeller.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:23 am to tedmarkuson
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an easy fix for obamacare
Scrap it.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:28 am to tedmarkuson
First of all, the individual mandate is an assault on liberty, so I reject that we would all agree with letting loose the IRS on people who don't buy things they don't want.
And even if we all did, the IRS has no authority to collect that penalty. That is why no one is worried about it. They can't use their collection powers to collect that fee. So what you propose takes a statutory change.
And even if we all did, the IRS has no authority to collect that penalty. That is why no one is worried about it. They can't use their collection powers to collect that fee. So what you propose takes a statutory change.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:34 am to tedmarkuson
Put everyone on Medicaid. If you opt out (meaning, you buy private insurance or have employer sponsored insurance), you get a tax credit as a sweetener.
Can't be more expensive than Obamacare.
Can't be more expensive than Obamacare.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:37 am to tedmarkuson
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to fix this we don't even need congress, it would only require tom price to raise the penalty and steve mnuchin to set lose the IRS to collect the penalty using their complete complement of collection methods.
The left's default position is always tyranny.
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 10:41 am
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:39 am to SoulGlo
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quote:
an easy fix for obamacare
Scrap it.
But how will insurance companies make massive profits?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:40 am to tedmarkuson
Iowa can allow insurance companies from other states to sell there.
There's no federal law stopping them.
Why doesn't Iowa want its own people to have insurance choices?
There's no federal law stopping them.
Why doesn't Iowa want its own people to have insurance choices?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:42 am to mahdragonz
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Why doesn't Iowa want its own people to have insurance choices?
Protect insurance profits from other health insurance competitors.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:59 am to BlackAdam
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First of all, the individual mandate is an assault on liberty, so I reject that we would all agree with letting loose the IRS on people who don't buy things they don't want.
nope john roberts declared it a tax so that's been settled
quote:
And even if we all did, the IRS has no authority to collect that penalty. That is why no one is worried about it. They can't use their collection powers to collect that fee. So what you propose takes a statutory change.
nope,
How much difference does a single line on a tax form make? For Obamacare's individual mandate, the answer might be quite a lot.
Following President Donald Trump's executive order instructing agencies to provide relief from the health law, the Internal Revenue Service appears to be taking a more lax approach to the coverage requirement.
The health law's individual mandate requires everyone to either maintain qualifying health coverage or pay a tax penalty, known as a "shared responsibility payment." The IRS was set to require filers to indicate whether they had maintained coverage in 2016 or paid the penalty by filling out line 61 on their form 1040s. Alternatively, they could claim exemption from the mandate by filing a form 8965.
For most filers, filling out line 61 would be mandatory. The IRS would not accept 1040s unless the coverage box was checked, or the shared responsibility payment noted, or the exemption form included. Otherwise they would be labeled "silent returns" and rejected.
Instead, however, filling out that line will be optional.
Earlier this month,
quote:The IRS says it still maintains the option to follow up with those who elect not to indicate their coverage status, although it's not clear what circumstances might trigger a follow up.
the IRS quietly altered its rules to allow the submission of 1040s with nothing on line 61.
LINK
if the IRS can quietly not enforce something, than they can quietly enforce something as well.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 12:13 pm to tedmarkuson
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an easy fix for obamacare,
end the mandate and repeal Obamacare
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:20 pm to tedmarkuson
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The IRS says it still maintains the option to follow up with those who elect not to indicate their coverage status, although it's not clear what circumstances might trigger a follow up.
LINK
if the IRS can quietly not enforce something, than they can quietly enforce something as well.
The individual mandate penalty is not collectible unless you have a refund due. They have no other collections mechanisms if you owe it and don't pay. What you put on line 61 does not matter.
They cannot garnish wages. They cannot apply penalties. They cannot apply interest. They cannot sweep your bank account. All they can do is tell you "you'd better pay or else, " or sweep your refund. Like most intelligent people I have not had a refund in 20 years, so what are they going to do now?
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