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America Has Its Own History of 'Hacking' Elections
Posted on 6/14/17 at 4:01 am
Posted on 6/14/17 at 4:01 am
I don't blindly support DJT like many of my fellow republicans. However, as an individual thinker who always asks questions, never afraid to call out the right or left for lies, I can't help but recall several confirmed instances where the U.S. has interfered in elections.
First off, the left de-legitimizes their viewpoint by continuously referring to alleged influence as 'hacking'. This is meant to imply that Russia meddled with actual vote tallies through the machines themselves. There has been no proof of this, and if you press any liberal with real knowledge on the subject, they will admit this is not being alleged (only influence).
Although it seems the worst of these days are behind us, the United States does have a well-documented history of interfering and sometimes interrupting the workings of democracies across the globe.
It has occupied and intervened militarily in a several countries in the Caribbean and Latin America, and fomented coups against democratically elected populists in hopes of furthering American interests.
The CIA has a rich history of influencing, and in some cases outright buying elections, in at least the following countries. Several of the campaigns mirror the alleged Russian interference almost too closely:
Italy
Chile
Honduras
Venezuela
Ukraine
Mogadishu
The Congo
Not that I am convinced either side firmly believe in the foundation of their argument; the left is crying foul because they won. The right is calling these accusations nothing more than accusations, simply because they won and do not want to give up legitimacy of the election. I am absolutely confident each would reverse their course if the outcome has been different.
This is just food for thought.
First off, the left de-legitimizes their viewpoint by continuously referring to alleged influence as 'hacking'. This is meant to imply that Russia meddled with actual vote tallies through the machines themselves. There has been no proof of this, and if you press any liberal with real knowledge on the subject, they will admit this is not being alleged (only influence).
Although it seems the worst of these days are behind us, the United States does have a well-documented history of interfering and sometimes interrupting the workings of democracies across the globe.
It has occupied and intervened militarily in a several countries in the Caribbean and Latin America, and fomented coups against democratically elected populists in hopes of furthering American interests.
The CIA has a rich history of influencing, and in some cases outright buying elections, in at least the following countries. Several of the campaigns mirror the alleged Russian interference almost too closely:
Italy
Chile
Honduras
Venezuela
Ukraine
Mogadishu
The Congo
Not that I am convinced either side firmly believe in the foundation of their argument; the left is crying foul because they won. The right is calling these accusations nothing more than accusations, simply because they won and do not want to give up legitimacy of the election. I am absolutely confident each would reverse their course if the outcome has been different.
This is just food for thought.
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 4:26 am to RFK
quote:Yet only one side has the history of stoking claims of illegitimate elections. Right?
I am absolutely confident each would reverse their course if the outcome has been different.
quote:The worst of these days are behind us? You mean as in 2015 being behind us? 2015 is where Obama&Co attempted to throw shade at Netanyahu during the Israeli election.
Although it seems the worst of these days are behind us, the United States does have a well-documented history of interfering and sometimes interrupting the workings of democracies across the globe.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 4:43 am to NC_Tigah
Commenting on a foreign election by our head of state is hardly the same thing as the interference seen in the events I mentioned.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 5:18 am to RFK
quote:So you aren't familiar with the issue?
Commenting on a foreign election by our head of state
Do yourself a favor.
Read about our monetary and resource contributions to Netanyahu's opposition in 2015.
Senate investigations followed. You don't know that because for some reason it was not covered in the MSM.
Geaux figure.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 6:40 am to RFK
Engineering coups, assassinating political enemies and supporting third-world dictators who are friendly to us have been cornerstones of American foreign policy, as practiced by both parties, since the end of WW2.
Our politicians know this. The people in our media are aware of this. Neither acknowledge it, because if we are so opposed to what the Russians did, we might have to stop meddling in the elections of other countries, which the Deep State will never do.
Our politicians know this. The people in our media are aware of this. Neither acknowledge it, because if we are so opposed to what the Russians did, we might have to stop meddling in the elections of other countries, which the Deep State will never do.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 6:49 am to SCLibertarian
quote:
Engineering coups, assassinating political enemies and supporting third-world dictators who are friendly to us have been cornerstones of American foreign policy, as practiced by both parties, since the end of WW2.
This with 1 exception; very, very few have been friendly with us without us sending them a monthly check
Posted on 6/14/17 at 6:56 am to RFK
I dont understand this argument at all.
Yes we as the USA have interfered in the elections of other countries, but should we just accept that it's ok to have it done to us since we did it to others?
Should we be ok if other countries decide to have drone strikes on US. soil? or have another country just come in and take land and spread communicable diseases like we did with the Native Americans?
This notion that it's ok even if Russia meddled in our election because we have done it to others is absurd.
Yes we as the USA have interfered in the elections of other countries, but should we just accept that it's ok to have it done to us since we did it to others?
Should we be ok if other countries decide to have drone strikes on US. soil? or have another country just come in and take land and spread communicable diseases like we did with the Native Americans?
This notion that it's ok even if Russia meddled in our election because we have done it to others is absurd.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 6:56 am to NC_Tigah
The dear leader all but handed Egypt to the Muslim Brotherhood, but it didn't last long.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:07 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
So you aren't familiar with the issue?
Do yourself a favor.
Read about our monetary and resource contributions to Netanyahu's opposition in 2015.
Senate investigations followed. You don't know that because for some reason it was not covered in the MSM.
Geaux figure.
They see only what supports their narrative.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 7:58 am
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:07 am to ctalati32
quote:
Yes we as the USA have interfered in the elections of other countries, but should we just accept that it's ok to have it done to us since we did it to others?
It certainly seem hypocritical if we protest. I mean, we are saying it is ok for us to do it to others, but we don't want anybody doing it to us? Why? because we know better? because we have made a better world?
quote:
Should we be ok if other countries decide to have drone strikes on US. soil? or have another country just come in and take land and spread communicable diseases like we did with the Native Americans?
You can defend those actions if you want to, but it seems rather disengenious, don't you think? We've done some bad stuff in our past. We can't deny that.
quote:
This notion that it's ok even if Russia meddled in our election because we have done it to others is absurd.
What makes it so horrifying that the Russians meddled in our elections, and what makes it ok, that we are meddling in other countries elections?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:12 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
worst of these days are behind us? You mean as in 2015 being behind us? 2015 is where Obama&Co attempted to throw shade at Netanyahu during the Israeli election.
We sent 350K taxpayer dollars to try and defeat Netanyahu. And that's the country that's supposed to be our strongest allie in the world!
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:15 am to SCLibertarian
quote:Fortunately, we only meddle in OTHER countries elections, amirite?
Engineering coups, assassinating political enemies and supporting third-world dictators who are friendly to us have been cornerstones of American foreign policy, as practiced by both parties, since the end of WW2.
Our politicians know this. The people in our media are aware of this. Neither acknowledge it, because if we are so opposed to what the Russians did, we might have to stop meddling in the elections of other countries, which the Deep State will never do.
I mean good thing the establishment cares so much about our opinion that they would step aside and allow us to decide who their chief spokesperson will be, amirite? The guy whose job it is, for the next four years, to sell us on their agenda.
Thankfully, they allow us to decide that person. Whew, huh?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:25 am to SCLibertarian
quote:
Deep State
Definitely one of my favorites of the new toys y'all found.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:37 am to RFK
You forgot to add France to your list and it's 2012 election. CIA had its fingerprints all over it. Wikileaks even shows the tools they used.
It's disgusting.
It's disgusting.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:27 am to Andychapman13
quote:Was this proven?
We sent 350K taxpayer dollars to try and defeat Netanyahu.
If so, who do you mean by 'we'?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:03 am to RFK
A more disturbing question is "what did various parties do to combat or prevent the hacking?" The Dems seemed to prefer the "open komono" approach which essentially entailed allowing private servers to be used by the candidate and other high-ranking campaign members (who, by the way, were also government officials with a responsibility to ensure their data was not compromised by risky unsecured interchange), AND who elected to use (with Comey's FBI approval) an outside IT firm to investigate and attempt to remove any selective data that the Hillary deemed important to protect. In the process, servers were "wiped clean", Comey chose to dismiss their protocols and actions in this matter as "wreckless and against regulations, but not "criminal".
So, what was a good coverup for the Dems to point the finger in another direction? Muh Russians with Trunp encouragement! Had to be collusion..... Because Trump, during a campaign rally, makes a comment about hoping the Russians can locate Hillary's 30,000 lost emails!
Incredible!
So, what was a good coverup for the Dems to point the finger in another direction? Muh Russians with Trunp encouragement! Had to be collusion..... Because Trump, during a campaign rally, makes a comment about hoping the Russians can locate Hillary's 30,000 lost emails!
Incredible!
Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:05 am to RFK
Amen, I agree that we are the biggest meddlers in world politics
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