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Am I reading too much into this quote from the Manchester loser's father?

Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:29 am
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:29 am
LINK

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But talking from Tripoli in Libya today, his father Ramadan Abedi insisted: 'We don't believe in killing innocents. This is not us.'


Seems like an odd and unnecessary distinction, no?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:30 am to
I think you are reading too much into it
Posted by 9th life
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:32 am to
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Am I reading too much into this quote


yes.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt that it is probably his grasp of the English language that is causing that odd sentence structure.
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:33 am to
Wasn't he reportedly an extremist too?
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:33 am to
quote:

Am I reading too much into this quote from the Manchester loser's father?

No

quote:

'We don't believe in killing innocents. This is not us.'

But the Koran says none of the infidels are innocent so there's that
This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 11:34 am
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:34 am to
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Seems like an odd and unnecessary distinction, no?


I suppose I see what you're getting at, but wouldn't it be rather refreshing that he deems those killed actually "innocent".
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:34 am to
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This is not us.'


Actually this is a common quote from serious criminals.
"Yes, I made a mistake and killed two people while robbing the gas station. But that's not who I am."
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:36 am to
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wouldn't it be rather refreshing that he deems those killed actually "innocent".


If he does. The quote is slightly ambiguous (For the avoidance of doubt, I, personally, am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he does).
Posted by Jorts R Us
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:37 am to
Link?
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:40 am to
I've heard other radicals say the same thing. It's their out. Infidels aren't innocent so it's no big deal. So you are not reading too much into it. He's trash.
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:40 am to
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Link?

LINK
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:42 am to
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But the Koran says none of the infidels are innocent so there's that


Cool. Shouldn't we want more Muslims to disagree with this? and not to want "kill all infidels"?

Are we acting like them saying "we don't believe in killing innocent people" is a bad thing now?

Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:43 am to
in his sons mind, and according to the koran, he did not kill innocent people.
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:47 am to
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in his sons mind, and according to the koran, he did not kill innocent people.

Exactly my point
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:48 am to
quote:

Cool. Shouldn't we want more Muslims to disagree with this? and not to want "kill all infidels"?

Are we acting like them saying "we don't believe in killing innocent people" is a bad thing now?

I think you missed my point. Unless a Muslim kills another Muslim (and YES we know this happens), everything is cool.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:49 am to
quote:

But talking from Tripoli in Libya today, his father Ramadan Abedi insisted: 'We don't believe in killing innocents. This is not us.'


Seems like an odd and unnecessary distinction, no?


If a US General said the same thing, how would you take it?

You're reading too much into it.

Not to mention that he didn't blame other people for his child's act of violence. That's pretty strong, compared to how I see people in the US react when their children do something terrible.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:51 am to
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I think you missed my point. Unless a Muslim kills another Muslim (and YES we know this happens), everything is cool.


his parents are disagreeing with this

so I still don't understand
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:52 am to
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his parents are disagreeing with this


His point is that they're not.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:52 am to
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If a US General said the same thing, how would you take it


How does this even make sense? The guy is a known radical.
Posted by okietiger13
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Posted on 5/24/17 at 11:53 am to
Some language that Islamists use that and its true meaning to their believers.

JUSTICE – The Justice provided to people living under Islamic Law

FREEDOM – Freedom from man-made or secular laws

TERRORISM – Killing a Muslim without Right. Under Islamic Law, there are specific reasons for a Muslim to be killed (e.g. Apostasy). Under Islamic Law, if a Muslim is killed for a reason not specified under the law, the person who killed the Muslim must also be killed.

INNOCENTS – Only Muslims are innocent under Sharia

JIHAD – Warfare against non-Muslims

SUICIDE – Killing oneself. Unlawful under Sharia

MARTYRDOM – Dying in Jihad. The only way under Sharia a Muslim is guaranteed entry in Paradise. Muslims who blow themselves up while killing non-Muslims in Jihad are Martyrs, not “suicide bombers. All transgressions on Earth are forgiven by martyrdom with the exception of debt.

PEACE – When the entire world is subordinated to Islamic Law and living under the global Islamic State (Caliphate) with an Islamic Ruler (Caliph), the entire world will be under the “Dar al Islam” or the house of Islam and Peace, and there will be Peace on earth.



This post was edited on 5/24/17 at 11:55 am
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