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re: A safety net is much fairer than price controls on wages
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:54 pm to Zach
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:54 pm to Zach
quote:
I've already posted my idea of cuts but I suppose you missed it:
Next question?
I am not asking what you would cut, I am asking what you would keep.
You suggest the 95% of the government should be eliminated. What 5% would you keep? That would be 150B or 200B if you use 5% of what we take in, vs. 5% of what we spend.
150B isn't that much, hell the VA burns through 132B in a year.
Would you cut off medical care for our veterans?
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:56 pm to MJM
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So where are the millions of jobs going to come from for the people that are currently unemployed and relying on the govt to survive?
That's a good question. I do see what I assume to be "undocumented" construction workers every day working on houses all around me and I see ~30 of them every weekend outside Lowe's looking for work. If only the people in this country that are legal citizens were so hard working we might get somewhere. Can you imagine seeing a welfare queen sitting outside on a Saturday just waiting for work (not talking about in the median having a drink but at Lowes)? And to think that a lot of these people then send that money back to their family.
Now you're right there are millions that need jobs and I'm only referencing probably 75 jobs but I'm assuming these jobs are everywhere in every part of the country. I do not believe it is a lack of jobs problem that we have.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:58 pm to Zach
Nobody is free when the free market runs roughshod over them. In a free market, only those who have the ability to exploit others profit. The rest become the bottom dwellers. Face it in 2015, the free market is an ivory tower bs construct. In the real world, a safety net is totally needed. In the last recession without the unemployment check,a good percentage would have starved.
But the over bloated Federal Gov, State Gov and local gov sometimes do nothing but suck up money, I agree. The gov in NJ is nothing but a trough for all the pigs to exploit.
But the over bloated Federal Gov, State Gov and local gov sometimes do nothing but suck up money, I agree. The gov in NJ is nothing but a trough for all the pigs to exploit.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:00 pm to Hawkeye95
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I am not asking what you would cut, I am asking what you would keep.
That's easy. Everything except the military. All other actions should devolve to the 50 states. Next question?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:02 pm to MJM
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So where are the millions of jobs going to come from for the people that are currently unemployed and relying on the govt to survive?
Probably small business. Our "undocumented workers" seem pretty industrious in creating income for themselves and their families.
Unless you're one of those who believe that the millions on welfare are mentally and physically incapable of surviving on their own.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:03 pm to Zach
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That's easy. Everything except the military. All other actions should devolve to the 50 states. Next question?
the military currently runs about 700B in spend, or 18% of our total budget. So you would have to cut everything else, and then about 75% of the military to get to gov't down to 1/20th the size.
I mean, I agree gov't should be smaller but 95% reduction seems slightly excessive to me.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:04 pm to Zach
So let's build up massive bureaucracies at the state level. That is ridiculous. We need to lessen the states redundancies and make it 1 federal level dept in some cases, if we need them at all.
Reducing the Fed to make 50 bigger bureaucracies promotes redundancies.
Reducing the Fed to make 50 bigger bureaucracies promotes redundancies.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:11 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Face it in 2015, the free market is an ivory tower bs construct.
What ivory towers are advocating a free market?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:13 pm to Hawkeye95
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I mean, I agree gov't should be smaller but 95% reduction seems slightly excessive to me.
As much as I'd like to 'press the button', we cannot expect to shutdown the government overnight and expect the market to immediately make up the difference. Private infrastructure/business in avenues that government currently 'monopolizes' must be in place to meet demand. Without that, I have no fricking clue what would happen. It probably wouldn't be good by an stretch.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:15 pm to HempHead
quote:Hemphead, can you link me to any good readings/articles that attack labor exploitation theory/labor theory of value? Thanks.
HempHead
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:19 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Hemphead, can you link me to any good readings/articles that attack labor exploitation theory/labor theory of value? Thanks.
LINK
I know of a few books that tackle it but this was the only short article I could find off-hand, and it deals with 'cost theory', which is similar but not indentical to labor.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:27 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Reducing the Fed to make 50 bigger bureaucracies promotes redundancies.
Giving all authority to the federal government with a one size fits all approach isn't necessarily responsive to the local population.
I'm dealing with this massive federal bureaucracy regarding public land issues now.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:05 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:
I mean, I agree gov't should be smaller but 95% reduction seems slightly excessive to me.
OK, I'll go with 85% reduction.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:07 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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So let's build up massive bureaucracies at the state level.
That's an oxymoron. The states cannot be as massive as the feds. Most states have balanced budget amendments. Does the fed? The farther you get from the individual to world govt the greater the waste.
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