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re: Watch this video, and tell me NBA superstars didn't have it easier in the '90's
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:01 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:01 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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Basically, anyone not playing right now sucked arse, and Chamberlain and Robertson played against 5'10" white guys. Midrange jumpers are stupid. Defense was invented 15 years ago. Did I miss anything?
Bumping this for today's posters.
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:46 pm to mattz1122
There arent many full games on youtube...a shite ton of highlight videos but not games..and i be willing to bet that althougj this generation has access to a ton of ways to get tl a game..they dont go back and watch full mj games or other pa at games.. If alot of people did that espn classic would be much higher rated.
Sorry watching old games and watching a full season live isnt same as watching a highlite video...his argument of him going back and watching games is laughable way 5o say hes young...which he shouldnt be asahmed of when someone says you didnt see mj in his prime
Sorry watching old games and watching a full season live isnt same as watching a highlite video...his argument of him going back and watching games is laughable way 5o say hes young...which he shouldnt be asahmed of when someone says you didnt see mj in his prime
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:05 pm to fightingtiger2335
You can watch just about any playoff game on Youtube.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:37 pm to PrimeTime Money
The space was given to Jordan in case he started to drive to the paint
Posted on 4/17/15 at 9:09 pm to dgtiger3
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Go to an NBA game early enough to watch a shoot around, get back to me on this one.
Watching an NBA shoot around is one of the most astonishing things I have ever witnessed.
I'm sure DeAndre Jordan can hit 90% of his free throws in practice but that doesn't change the fact that he hits less than 40% in games, so why are we talking about practice?
Posted on 4/17/15 at 9:16 pm to mattz1122
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Players are much bigger, faster, stronger in today's game, that isn't a debate.
Yeah that Austin Daye is such a superiod specimen to Nate Thurmond.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 9:20 pm to PrimeTime Money
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This is a load of crap. I just looked up on basketball-reference the number of seasons where a player who was 6'9" or taller made at least 32% of their 3-point shots.
You wanna know what I found out?
#1 is Dirk Nowitzki with 16 seasons shooting at least 32% from 3.
13 out of the top 20 played the majority of their career in the 2000's.
How about number 20-40?
16 out of the next 20 on the list were from the 2000's.
That means out of the top 40 big men 3-point shooters, 29 out of 40 are from the 2000's era.
Consider the Three-point line didn't make its way down to the high school level until the late 80's this isn't surprising. Guys didn't start shooting 3s at a young age until that time and it takes awhile for it to trickle up.
This wasn't a big gotcha like you thought it would be.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:20 pm to Ultron
quote:That wasn't the argument. The argument was that big guys back in the 80's and 90's were better shooters. The example used was that people don't remember that even Bill Laimbeer could hit the 3.
Consider the Three-point line didn't make its way down to the high school level until the late 80's this isn't surprising. Guys didn't start shooting 3s at a young age until that time and it takes awhile for it to trickle up.
This wasn't a big gotcha like you thought it would be.
And I responded to that.
The reason WHY big men back then were not as good at shooting from distance doesn't matter. It's beside the point. My argument is that overall, there were not as many big men shooters. And that's the fact that I pointed out.
Secondly, whose alter are you?
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:23 pm to Ultron
quote:I'm not even arguing either side... but comparing 1 guy from this era to 1 guy from another era is dumb.
Yeah that Austin Daye is such a superiod specimen to Nate Thurmond.
The people saying athletes today are bigger, faster, stronger or whatever are obviously talking about on the whole.
They may not even be talking about at the top. The top athletes from each generation are probably pretty comparable. But where there may be a difference is with your "average" athlete in the league.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:25 pm to PrimeTime Money
Agreed.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:36 pm to PrimeTime Money
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2:04 - this is a called isolation play.
Jordan got a mismatch and was being covered by Juwan Howard...the same thing happens in 2015, they clear the floor and let them go to work. You couldn't have picked a worse example to prove your point...besides Howard, all four of the Bullets defenders were in the paint and three were covering no one (two Bulls were outside the 3pt line and another was on their way).
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2:58 - PERFECT example of a double team in the 90's before the rule changes
A "double team in the 90s" didn't necessarily include two players basically running into one another.
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lso, notice how there is zero help defense at the rim,
Webber is arguably being held by Rodman and boxed out by Longley as Jordan was driving, otherwise...
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Jordan would have been met with a defender outside of the paint
Hell, I'm not even on the "90s were better" train...but, you are exaggerating the lack of help defense in that era and the two clips you emphasize are poor examples to begin with.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:53 pm to PrimeTime Money
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The argument was that big guys back in the 80's and 90's were better shooters
That;s not what he was saying in what you quoted and then I quoted. He said that big guys back in the day also stretched the court and they did largely via the mid-range game. He then brought up Bill Lambieer.
Those were two separate points. You argued against a point he didn't make and I engaged you on the argument you made, not on the argument he made. But really, this whole thread is silly. Even if you make the argument that it was easier for elite players on offense, it was still harder for them on defense. Do you know how hard it was to stifle much less shut down a good shot creator back then? And with the advent of the dribble drive and on ball screens today, any advantage that defenses gained with being able to play zones and packing the paint has been nullified.
The talent isn't any better than it was back in the day, but it is being played smarter by lessening the load on individuals. People can argue all about spikes in athleticism from the 70's til now, but really you're arguing the difference between $9.95 and $10, The main thing that has change through the year is pace and philosophy (dictated by new rules).
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:56 pm to PrimeTime Money
Good luck getting to the rim Kobe 
MJ shot 2 free throws on this play because of illegal defense
The Bulls are ready to make this play 3 or 4 on 1
MJ shot 2 free throws on this play because someone dared leave their man at the 3 point line
Would have loved to see Jordan maneuver his way through defensive looks like this all the damn time 
MJ shot 2 free throws on this play because of illegal defense
The Bulls are ready to make this play 3 or 4 on 1
MJ shot 2 free throws on this play because someone dared leave their man at the 3 point line
Would have loved to see Jordan maneuver his way through defensive looks like this all the damn time This post was edited on 4/18/15 at 12:05 am
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:57 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 4/18/15 at 12:02 am to TbirdSpur2010
I need to stick to emoticons, I apparently can't form a proper sentence.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 12:06 am to ReauxlTide222
Nah you're fine
Very telling screenshots.
Very telling screenshots.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 12:19 am to Ultron
This wasn't a discussion about flopping.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 12:30 am to TbirdSpur2010
You missed the point. In the 90's teams/stars were aided by illegal defenses, now it's via flopping. I really have no dog in this fight, because I thoroughly enjoyed the late 80's through early 90's style of basketball and I enjoy the game for what is is now (but the flopping is pissing me off). It seems some people think you can only love one way and hate the other.
This post was edited on 4/18/15 at 12:31 am
Posted on 4/18/15 at 12:35 am to Ultron
I'm with you inasmuch as I've been pounding the drum for enjoying each era as they are/were. Loved 90s NBA ball (I was too young for the 80s), loved it in the 00s, love it now, and probably will enjoy the next iteration as the game evolves.
Wasn't sure what point you were trying to make. My apologies.
Loved 90s NBA ball (I was too young for the 80s), loved it in the 00s, love it now, and probably will enjoy the next iteration as the game evolves. Wasn't sure what point you were trying to make. My apologies.
This post was edited on 4/18/15 at 12:37 am
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