- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice Official Trailer
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:35 pm to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:35 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:
Sweet comment. No shite it's just a movie. The frick does that matter? We have an entire fricking message board dedicated to TV and Movies. It's all make believe bullshite, though, so having this message board at all means we are all being way too dramatic about all movies.
I mean, what the frick.
Settle down, Francis.
And they got Neil DeGrasse Tyson in on this.
1
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:36 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:
Sweet comment. No shite it's just a movie. The frick does that matter? We have an entire fricking message board dedicated to TV and Movies. It's all make believe bullshite, though, so having this message board at all means we are all being way too dramatic about all movies.
I mean, what the frick.
Sometimes I feel like with certain threads people want you to drop in and say....
"Time to Fap"
or
"That looks amazing!"
or
"I'm so pumped"
or Post said memes/gifs
Then walk away. No discussion, no commentary, we only accept praise and that's it. You're done.
How boring would that be?
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:37 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
Can a reader not identify with a character who might suffer pain and loss, but ALWAYS does the right thing? That's really the question. The answer, to those in the "good is boring," camp would say No. They can't.
I never said this is what I thought, just what I think people going through this kind of reaction are thinking. And I get this from what I think the reaction to "moral purity is boring," sway in culture.
O I completely agree with you. Completely. The moral paragons, even those who are so moral they find themselves pitted against other supposedly moral characters fighting tooth and nail for their beliefs, are interesting characters not because of their physical vulnerability, but because of their psychological vulnerability. It is the psychological vulnerability of these characters, the internal struggles they conquer, that is the most interesting. Internal struggles are the most difficult to write, to boot, so when you see Superman at the end of MoS struggling with himself to kill Zod or to let him live, that's compelling and well done. It's the 90 other minutes of complete drek that makes that movie suck arse.
All this to say: heroes need not be morally bankrupt or morally ambiguous. We are obsessed with anti-heroes at the moment. Heroes do not need to be anti-heroes. But they do need to be complex, or at least should be. And the complexity of character is never more important than when the character is practically unable to die because, as a writer, the sense of drama cannot come from the action or the plot itself, but from within the character itself. Which is why Superman is sometimes a boring character as portrayed in given movies/shows/books. The character is not, as a whole, boring, but unless there is conflict internally for him, you can bet the drama will be lackluster because there is no real outside force that can kill him... well, almost, anyway.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:39 pm to LoveThatMoney
Well said.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:40 pm to Tom288
quote:
Settle down, Francis.
"Lighten up, Francis."
If you're going to be an arse, at least be a smart arse. Jesus.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:42 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:
O I completely agree with you. Completely. The moral paragons, even those who are so moral they find themselves pitted against other supposedly moral characters fighting tooth and nail for their beliefs, are interesting characters not because of their physical vulnerability, but because of their psychological vulnerability. It is the psychological vulnerability of these characters, the internal struggles they conquer, that is the most interesting. Internal struggles are the most difficult to write, to boot, so when you see Superman at the end of MoS struggling with himself to kill Zod or to let him live, that's compelling and well done. It's the 90 other minutes of complete drek that makes that movie suck arse.
Well said. (On that note, I almost agree whole heartedly. Although I didn't prefer it, my issue with MoS was never the Zod moment. But that film didn't really earn that moment if that makes sense).
quote:
All this to say: heroes need not be morally bankrupt or morally ambiguous. We are obsessed with anti-heroes at the moment.
See if you want to talk what I hate, I hate this. I actually have a pretty strong reaction to anti-heroes because we're just so oversaturated with them to the point of things like "Superman isn't interesting in the past because he's good" (that isn't what you said specifically, just the sentiment in general) have become the common thing. Like our heroes can't be pure. It's nigh-infuriating.
quote:
But they do need to be complex, or at least should be. And the complexity of character is never more important than when the character is practically unable to die because, as a writer, the sense of drama cannot come from the action or the plot itself, but from within the character itself. Which is why Superman is sometimes a boring character as portrayed in given movies/shows/books. The character is not, as a whole, boring, but unless there is conflict internally for him, you can bet the drama will be lackluster because there is no real outside force that can kill him... well, almost, anyway.
Agree.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:45 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:
"Lighten up, Francis."
If you're going to be an arse, at least be a smart arse. Jesus.
Way to prove my point moron.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:46 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
To be fair, the purity of Superman was that he WAS initially a moral and just figure. There was no period of adjustment. He didn't need to "develop," in that sense, that's what made Superman, Superman. Making him more conflicted and and error prone or lacking conviction takes away that core ideal.
It seems that the vast majority of complaints about MoS ended up being lobbied by folks still longing for the Christopher Reeve movies. Three things from those movies that seem to always be forgotten or overlooked are:
1) Superman doesn't become Superman overnight. In the first movie, it takes him 10+ years of tutoring by Ghost Marlon Brando before he flies out fully formed. In MoS, he bumps into hologram Maximus gets the quick 411 and goes out and tests his powers for real for what seems like the very first time in his life. No sooner does he seem to get a full grasp of what he's capable of, Zod shows up.
2) People complained that he wasn't Superman long enough in MoS...forgetting that the first time we saw Reeve as Superman was when he flew to rescue Lois in the helicopter crash at The Daily Planet, which was a good hour plus into the actual movie.
3) Regardless of how cutsey it appeared, or whatever after the fact rationalization people want to use to explain it...Supes straight up dropped Zod down a bottomless ice pit in Superman II. In fact, all three Kryptonians bought the farm. Cavill snaps his neck and people lose their shite...
Carry on...
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:48 pm to Tom288
quote:
Way to prove my point moron.
Which is what? I should settle down? Why? I'm discussing movies, comic book characters, and directors. And people who are unable to even properly quote a line from a movie in an attempt to put me down. This shite is important.
Perhaps you should get on my level. Moron.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:50 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:
Which is what? I should settle down? Why? I'm discussing movies, comic book characters, and directors. And people who are unable to even properly quote a line from a movie in an attempt to put me down. This shite is important.
Perhaps you should get on my level. Moron.
You're so angry.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:52 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Well said.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:53 pm to RollTide1987
will watch
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:54 pm to Tom288
quote:
You're so angry.
Nah. But I will make you look like an idiot if you try to make me look one. But let's agree to discontinue the derailing of this thread.
Unless, of course, that would be taking this thread too seriously...
Posted on 4/17/15 at 1:58 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:
But I will make you look like an idiot if you try to make me look one.
No, no you won't.
quote:
But let's agree to discontinue the derailing of this thread.
Unless, of course, that would be taking this thread too seriously...
I'll do it for the sake of your blood pressure...
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:01 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
It seems that the vast majority of complaints about MoS ended up being lobbied by folks still longing for the Christopher Reeve movies.
Mmmmm... nope. You've got fans of the different eras of comics, the different cartoons and live-action TV series that featured Superman... it wasn't a vast Chris Reeves conspiracy.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:05 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
Mmmmm... nope. You've got fans of the different eras of comics, the different cartoons and live-action TV series that featured Superman... it wasn't a vast Chris Reeves conspiracy
Yeah. This may be sacrilege, but actually can't stand the original Superman movies. I think they are flat out terrible and by far Hackman's worst work.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:08 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
3) Regardless of how cutsey it appeared, or whatever after the fact rationalization people want to use to explain it...Supes straight up dropped Zod down a bottomless ice pit in Superman II.
And that was AFTER they were stripped of all their powers and a threat to no one.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:17 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
Mmmmm... nope. You've got fans of the different eras of comics, the different cartoons and live-action TV series that featured Superman... it wasn't a vast Chris Reeves conspiracy.
Not saying necessarily on here, but if you go back and re-read many of the reviews of the movie, it was inevitable that when a complaint about MoS was raised the critic would point to the Reeve/Donner version as cannon.
I'm not saying there can't be legit criticisms of MoS...it was far from a perfect movie. I just always disliked those complaints that were, at their heart, complaints that Snyder did not simply remake the Donner films.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:32 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:
As originally conceived, Superman is the single most boring character in comics. He has/had no depth of character. He was a shining paragon of goodness and morality and truth and justice and the American way, which played well during the late 30s and early 40s to kids who were excited about escaping reality and fighting Hitler.
Superman is one the greatest ideas humanity has ever produced in the last 100 years. He's a creation of Jews that that was feeling the plight of fellow Jews in WW2 and was designed and intended to be something that all of humanity should strive to be and that's a great human being. I hate to tell you this but he is still being written that way today in the comics, cartoons in DC animated and live TV as recently as Smallville.
The rest of your post boils down to a bias against morally strong characters and if that's not your thing, make that plainly clear in a very forward way.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:40 pm to Sentrius
quote:
Sentrius
Get a load of this guy. I bet you've never even seen any Superman movie ever.
Page 9 of 11
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News