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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:03 pm
Posted by kclsufan
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:03 pm
This is an offshoot from the Apple smart watch thread.

I guess I just don't get smart watches--any of them. They seem to be more of an expensive novelty than anything else. The screens are just too small IMO and that's not going to change. If you're older or have eye issues, this is definitely an issue.

Audio will be crap or non-existent. And of course the battery life/charge issue is there. My phone and tablets are much better platforms for apps and functionality.

Yeah, yeah I know people say these types of things about every new tech innovation to roll out so I may be wrong. It's just one path I don't see myself taking. The one application that makes sense is using SW's as health monitors, but I'm more of a couch potato so that's irrelevant to me
Posted by GFunk
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:19 pm to
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kclsufan
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This is an offshoot from the Apple smart watch thread. I guess I just don't get smart watches--any of them. They seem to be more of an expensive novelty than anything else. The screens are just too small IMO and that's not going to change. If you're older or have eye issues, this is definitely an issue. Audio will be crap or non-existent. And of course the battery life/charge issue is there. My phone and tablets are much better platforms for apps and functionality. Yeah, yeah I know people say these types of things about every new tech innovation to roll out so I may be wrong. It's just one path I don't see myself taking. The one application that makes sense is using SW's as health monitors, but I'm more of a couch potato so that's irrelevant to me


I'll try to use one example that I can relate to.

Mobile Phone>Cordless Phone>Landline

The movement over time has gone in chronological order from landline to cordless to mobile, all in an effort to increase mobility and ease of communication. Think about it in these terms on a macro level. Let's drill down though.

What's less invasive to a meeting or a business setting than someone sticking their head into the room and interrupting you? Receiving a phone call on a mobile phone? Of course you're right. But what's less invasive than that? Receiving a text, right?

Of course a big reason texts have become so ubiquitous is their ease of use, the relative public use of communication without distracting or disturbing others around you, or sending lasting info that can be referred back to by the end user (addresses, meeting times, codes to unlock an apartment gate, the location of your hidden apartment key to someone crashing, etc).

So as these means of communication have changed over time to increase mobility and reduce distraction by people around the user, they have required a heavy reliance on continually going for your phone in order to review them.

In the use that I'm thinking of, what if you didn't have to check your phone in a meeting? What if you're at the smart board facilitating and you receive two notifications back to back. One is for taking a medication, or picking a child up from practice or a recital. The other is noting your supervisory staff scheduled a back-to-back with you included immediately after your meeting is over.

If you're at the board or facilitating, you can't check either of these two without reaching for your phone and distracting your audience and derailing the collective focus of everyone there.

With a smart watch, you can send those notifications directly to the watch on your wrist, and a simple flick while writing or taking feedback from your audience allows you to visually process the notifications with a minimum of disruption to what you're doing.

In the same way that cells increased mobility over cordless phones increased mobility over landlines, the reduction in friction in allowing you to process information and communicate without distraction or disturbance adds value to a smart watch.

You can set a timer notification to alert you to a five minute warning before you have to leave. Take feedback from an introverted attendee regarding a piece of info you've forgotten, or any host of things just in this example.

The rise of the smartwatch is part of the natural evolution of how we've stripped away distraction and friction involved with communication. This is the next step as we've become heavily dependent on notifications as a part of that communication. E-Mails, geo-location alerts, reminders, meeting notifications, etc. The watch simply frees us from the electronic hub that we keep in our pockets nowadays. We don't have to reach for it. Just flick our wrist instead.
Posted by kclsufan
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:34 pm to
Excellent response and thanks

I get what you're saying, but if I need to respond to a text message or email, it's either from my phone or tablet. There's just no way to get around that micro-screen on a SW. And accessing my phone/tablet is not that big of an interruption for me. Also, I'm conscious enough of my schedule that I don't need reminders throughout a day of where I need to be (though some may need that). And if you can't remember to pick up your kid from rehearsal, shame on you

I'm not saying they have no use. For some they're a great solution. I may one day relent and get one and actually like it. What will be interesting to watch (pun intended) is how traditional watch manufacturers will respond to this new rival to their long-established domain.

edt; It seems one angle for the SW is the argument "hey, if you're going to wear a watch anyway, get one that has some nice added functionality". I also think keeping SW"s limited in their roles to doing a few things well rather than trying to get them to do too much will help their success.

Idk, I may be talking myself into buying one now
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 12:38 pm
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:35 pm to
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The screens are just too small IMO and that's not going to change


how much bigger of a screen do you need to see and dismiss a simple text? same for navigation..it only puts a street name & distance on it. its not a replacement for your phone..its an enhancement for it.

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Audio will be crap or non-existent.


there is no audio (at least for android). there's no point.

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And of course the battery life/charge issue is there.


battery is 3 days on my LG G. not the greatest but it definitely gives me time to remember to charge it.

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My phone and tablets are much better platforms for apps and functionality.


depends on the app. watch is a much better tool for managing music, phone calls & texts while driving without ever removing your hands from the steering wheel and never taking your eyes off the road.

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The one application that makes sense is using SW's as health monitors,


thats the only thing i DONT use my watch for. i have used a power meter & HR monitor for years and dont need that functionality on a watch while i'm just hanging out, only when i'm working out and even then you can 'graduate' beyond a HR monitor once you get a handle on how your feel.




This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 12:45 pm
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:36 pm to
Wow, great post. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Posted by kclsufan
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:44 pm to
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how much bigger of a screen do you need to see and dismiss a 160 character text? same for navigation..it only puts a street name & distance on it. its not a replacement for your phone..its an enhancement for it.

You obviously aren't my eye Dr. I use voice directions or look at my phone screen mainly for nav.

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battery is 3 days on my LG G. not the greatest but it definitely gives me time to remember to charge it.


That's more than I would have thought.

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depends on the app. watch is a much better tool for managing music, phone calls & texts while driving without ever removing your hands from the steering wheel and never taking your eyes off the road.

You're going to have to explain this one to me
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:48 pm to
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You're going to have to explain this one to me


i have a $100 pioneer bluetooth stereo in my 4runner that i can also use as a hands free phone.

i used to have to pull out my phone and jack with google music or mess around with contacts to call someone.

now i have a watch on my wrist and i never even move my hands off or even glance at my watch.

as i'm driving i say 'ok google call cad's wife' and it calls her.

i say 'text my wife to pick me up a sammich' and it texts her

i say 'play music' and google hits up my google play with a random genre playlist

i say 'drive to gas station' and it fires up navigation and takes me to the nearest gas station using small vibrations on my wrist each time i'm approaching a turn (along with display on the screen).

my phone chills on the passenger seat now or in a cup holder.

where i once used to fuss with my phone constantly in my car, now i never even pick it up.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 12:51 pm
Posted by kclsufan
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:52 pm to
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i have a $100 pioneer bluetooth stereo in my 4runner that i can use as a speaker phone.

i used to have to pull out my phone and jack with google music or mess around with contacts to call someone.

now i have a watch on my wrist.

as i'm driving i say 'ok google call cad's wife' and it calls her.

i say 'text my wife to pick me up a sammich' and it texts her

i say 'play music' and google hits up my google play with a random genre playlist

i say 'drive to gas station' and it fires up navigation and takes me to the nearest gas station using small vibrations on my wrist each time i'm approaching a turn (along with display on the screen).

my phone chills on the passenger seat now or in a cup holder.

where i once used to fuss with my phone constantly in my car, now i never even pick it up

Is the voice activation always active, or do you have to press something to activate it?
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:54 pm to
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or do you have to press something to activate it?


sorry, yes i have to say 'ok google' first.

eta and it mutes the radio so i know its listening and then i say what i need to say. it works about 95% of the time the first time. very accurate.

typically if it doesnt work its becuase i'm in a 'dead zone' with no data.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 12:55 pm
Posted by kclsufan
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:55 pm to
But thats purely voice activation, right?
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:55 pm to
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But thats purely voice activation, right?


yes, all voice.

thats what google glass was all about too..the watch just listens and googles massive back-end search algorithm knows what you want it to do.

i should point out this is DIFFERENT than how the phone acts if you use voice. the watch will immediately send texts, make calls, etc. whereas the phone will ask you a couple times ARE YOU SURE and DO YOU WANT TO SEND NOW? i hate that.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 12:59 pm
Posted by kclsufan
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:57 pm to
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yes, all voice.

Got it, thanks
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:57 pm to
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The screens are just too small IMO and that's not going to change. If you're older or have eye issues, this is definitely an issue.


They are a supplement to your Smart Phone, not a replacement. Just like Smart Phones haven't replaced computers, Smart Watches won't replace Smart Phones, but they will remove the friction from accessing your phone's functions in a way similar to how your phone has reduced the friction on some of your computing needs. You still need and use a computer, just not as much.

I don't plan on getting a watch any time soon, but if I did I imagine one regular use would be Siri. Right now I have to pull out my phone and hold down the home button to activate Siri and tell her to set reminders, timers, etc. With an Apple Watch you only need to raise your wrist and start talking.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:59 pm to
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Got it, thanks


i expanded my comments above slightly.

i also should point out the webcam in my 4mo old's room is on the watch face LIVE and i can 'pinch to zoom' and pan around if i want to see what's going on in more detail.

again..this is easier on a phone screen but its nice in a pinch to be able to see his webcam from my wrist if my phone is in the other room.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 1:00 pm
Posted by elprez00
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:07 pm to
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In the same way that cells increased mobility over cordless phones increased mobility over landlines, the reduction in friction in allowing you to process information and communicate without distraction or disturbance adds value to a smart watch.



Is a notification buzzing on your watch really all that less intrusive than a phone? And furthermore, until they make one that can be used without being tethered to a phone, then is it really saving any effort?

I wear a watch every day. I feel naked without one on my wrist. I can spend $1500 on a nice watch that will last me a life time for what I'd probably spend in 5 years on one of these upgrading to keep pace with tech.
Posted by elprez00
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:10 pm to
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Just like Smart Phones haven't replaced computers

Not disagreeing with you, but I'm willing to bet most people do the bulk of their internet browsing and commerce via smartphone/tablet rather than a computer. Hell, I can almost leave my laptop in my office and perform every function I have to on my iPhone/iPad. We're heading that direction.

I'm not criticizing the smartwatch users. I just don't think this is the evolution that will be flip phone => iPhone.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:16 pm to
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s a notification buzzing on your watch really all that less intrusive than a phone


waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less.

nobody notices the 1/2 second 'tickle' my watch does. it makes no sound at all and is completely invisible to anyone around you.

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until they make one that can be used without being tethered to a phone, then is it really saving any effort?


yes, quite a bit.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:20 pm to
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I just don't think this is the evolution that will be flip phone => iPhone.


wrong paradigm.

google glass = android wear in a different form factor.

what is happening is we're moving away from the idea that the phone is the ultimate end game for personal information dissemination. the "hub" as someone said earlier.

its going to evolve either into glasses, a plastic nub in your ear, a watch, some crazy contact lenses...who knows?

the point is the smartphone is an INCREDIBLY OBNOXIOUS UI. i walk into a restaurant or bar and probably 90% of the people in there are squinting at little rectangles in their hands and swiping..swiping...swiping...

i honestly dont know if a wearable on your wrist is where we're going but its certainly pushing us away from those god-awful phones that have turned people into rude, self-centered narcissists.


This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 1:21 pm
Posted by GFunk
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:27 pm to
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kclsufan
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Got it, thanks


As long as your phone is plugged in and charging, if you have an iOS device you get the same functionality of "always on voice command" by saying "Hey Siri" and then the command.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:30 pm to
it sounds like apple has one clear advantage over the android wear devices which is wifi connection to the watch vs bluetooth.

i cant get too far away without 'losing' my phone on the watch and then it takes a couple minutes it seems to reconnect (although it could be shorter and i'm just impatient)

i wonder what the effective range of the apple watch is and how much of the short battery life is attributable to opting for wifi vs bluetooth or some other low-power tech like zwave?
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