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Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:05 am to rantfan
I would think so. What I find interesting is the fact that most cops carry Glocks with no external safety (other than the trigger safety). That taser has an obvious external safety lever, and the cop is probably trained to manually disengage the safety before firing.
Glocks should be removed from being a service firearm for cops.
Cops should be required to carry a pistol with an external safety.
The lack of external safety is one of the reasons our military does NOT carry Glock pistols.
Glocks should be removed from being a service firearm for cops.
Cops should be required to carry a pistol with an external safety.
The lack of external safety is one of the reasons our military does NOT carry Glock pistols.
This post was edited on 4/13/15 at 9:10 am
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:05 am to Tigerstudent08
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Even if that's the case, wouldn't someone that is trained know exactly where their taser is and exactly where their pistol is? Seems like you would have them on opposite sides of their belt and the only way you would grab the wrong one is if you are severely untrained.
Well he was a reserve officer, so he likely didn't train as much as he should have. Fine motor skills are the first thing to go out the window in intense situations. That's why cops and military train so much with firearms manipulation. You can only rely on muscle memory in situations like that. His muscle memory obviously was to draw and fire his weapon, not his Taser. It was negligent accident. Not saying he or the department shouldn't face consequences, but it certainly wasn't murder. It was a tragic mistake.
This post was edited on 4/13/15 at 9:09 am
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:10 am to I Love Bama
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yea I should have mentioned that in the OP. Makes this 100x worse.
Does it?
I mean it is a terrible thing to say, but the man died from a gunshot wound, not from being crushed by an officer or something. Also, the officer who said that was not the one who shot him.
There is no need to sensationalize an already sad story IMO.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:10 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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but it certainly wasn't murder. It was a tragic mistake.
and race probably wasn't a factor in this one
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:11 am to slackster
Shows an incredible lack of compassion for a mistake that ended someones life. Yea it makes it 100x worse.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:13 am to I Love Bama
There is a reason normal cops keep their tasers completely away from their pistols, and this is a perfect example of that reason.
Wtf is a 73 year old insurance executive doing trying to apprehend people? He has no business being in that position.
Wtf is a 73 year old insurance executive doing trying to apprehend people? He has no business being in that position.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:15 am to Chicken
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Have people always been this disobedient to cops or is this more of a recent trend?
Have police officers always been this mistake prone, or because of technology are they just not able to cover it up any more?
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:16 am to I Love Bama
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Shows an incredible lack of compassion for a mistake that ended someones life.
I know what you're saying, but the cop didn't know the man was going to die from the wound.
I'll be honest - when I watched the video, I had to double check the article to see if the man survived. His reaction and voice on the ground did not sound like he was in a grave condition.
I'm not excusing the statement, and I agree it was awful. However, IMO it is the least important part of the story.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:17 am to YouthInAsia
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Have people always been this disobedient to cops or is this more of a recent trend?
Have police officers always been this mistake prone, or because of technology are they just not able to cover it up any more?
Both are legitimate questions that can be discussed independent of one another.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:18 am to I Love Bama
quote:What was said afterwards is the most disturbing part. That is something I would expect to hear a soldier tell a wounded enemy soldier on the battlefield, not something a cop would say to a US citizen. That's the real problem of the "militarization" of police, not the military gear they have. Just look at them in the video. They're all roided uo with their tats and drop holsters t shirts and cargo pants like theyre fricking delta force or something. It's ridiculous.
Shows an incredible lack of compassion for a mistake that ended someones life. Yea it makes it 100x worse.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:23 am to whoisnickdoobs
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Are they really fired from the hip?
No, I meant "IF" he fired it from the hip.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:26 am to I Love Bama
Honestly, reserve deputy positions should be filled by former, trained, law enforcement personnel that still want to serve in those roles, but may have moved on to better paying careers or other reasons. They shouldn't be filled with weekend warriors.
This post was edited on 4/13/15 at 9:27 am
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:32 am to GeauxxxTigers23
I think cops now believe that the people whom they perceive to be "bad guys" (even if innocent) are the enemy, and they must immediately gain control in every situation because the enemy is trying to hurt them.
The SWAT gear and probably news/training all exacerbate the problem. The gear irrationally makes them feel dominant. Their brains think, "get him, get him, get him, get him" and then one thing happens and bang. Instead, they should be thinking "stop him". It is all about the level of aggression they go into each situation with
The SWAT gear and probably news/training all exacerbate the problem. The gear irrationally makes them feel dominant. Their brains think, "get him, get him, get him, get him" and then one thing happens and bang. Instead, they should be thinking "stop him". It is all about the level of aggression they go into each situation with
This post was edited on 4/13/15 at 9:35 am
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:36 am to Chicken
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Have people always been this disobedient to cops or is this more of a recent trend?
Maybe it's a chicken and the egg scenario? Which came first...citizens being less than compliant, or LEO's taking an "us against them" position when dealing with EVERY citizen they encounter?
I've had VERY few run-ins with LEO's and I've been driving for nearly 30 years...but every one of them at least STARTED with an officer acting needlessly abrasive until I calmed the situation down by behaving in a manner that settled them. As far as I'm concerned, while it may be the SAFEST bet to behave that way, it shouldn't be required in order to not have a bad situation occur for simply having a professional encounter with a LEO.
For a very long time I've been a law and order guy...but this continued barrage of examples of police behaving poorly AND then being enabled by both their unions and citizens who have simply been lucky enough to have not had a run-in with them and therefore see no reason these things could potentially effect their lives have begun to drain away that support.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:41 am to GeauxTigerTM
I don't understand how people could magically become more violent and resistant to cops as soon as cell phone cameras and CCTV became popular
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:41 am to slackster
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Does it?
Yeah, it does. It's the kind of 100% tone deafness citizen's rights groups are hollering about. A fellow officer just ACCIDENTALLY shoots a guy and SAYS SO and instead of having that play a role in settling things down, another officer continues to curse at the guy while he's complaining about his condition?
How about...I don't know...training officers to NOT behave and sound like street thugs when performing their duties? They want to be treated with respect and as professionally...why not act like it...or do they simply get a pass because of adrenaline?
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:41 am to slackster
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I know what you're saying, but the cop didn't know the man was going to die from the wound.
This is fricking bullshite. If it were a cop who was shot, they would be going crazy trying to get him to paramedics as fast as they could.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:45 am to Hammertime
I'd also like to say that a psychologist or group of psychologists could make bank off of this stuff. Just think of the money coming in from a government study and coming up for a resolution to be included in all police training
Posted on 4/13/15 at 10:14 am to roadGator
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Yes.
Certainly. It's a good thing that cop had a body camera on. I'm sure there would have been some kind of cover up if he didn't. Now we can start holding cops accountable for their actions as we do criminals, although it's becoming harder and harder to decipher the two.
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Have people always been this disobedient to cops or is this more of a recent trend?
Yes.
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Have police officers always been this mistake prone, or because of technology are they just not able to cover it up any more?
Certainly. It's a good thing that cop had a body camera on. I'm sure there would have been some kind of cover up if he didn't. Now we can start holding cops accountable for their actions as we do criminals, although it's becoming harder and harder to decipher the two.
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