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Spoilers The Wire. Am I the only one that thinks it limped to the finish line?

Posted on 3/23/15 at 5:50 am
Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 5:50 am
Finished this show about two weeks ago, After letting it digest awhile I can't put this show on the same level as Breaking Bad or even BWE. For as good as season 1 was (brilliant) and the entire Avon/Stringer storyline, the last season and a half seemed like a chore. The characters minus Marlo just didn't pop and the story lines especially the newspaper angle were a bore fest. McNulty, Bunk, and Bubbles redemption story were engrossing but overall didn't have the layers earlier seasons had.



Also the way Omar went out was bullshite.
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 6:23 am
Posted by flvelo12
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 6:11 am to
Season 5 was very disappointing IMO.

Seasons 1-4 were all great though.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 6:17 am to
Put spoilers i the Header:

The whole fake serial killer storyline was boring.

Omar getting killed by the kid that was pretending to be him in an earlier season was pretty poetic.

The 1st 4 seasons were better than the entire run of BB, imo.

Best parts of the 5th season:

-Dookie becoming Bubbles
-Bubbles redemption
-Herc belps Marlo beat the system
-Mike becomes Omar
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 6:21 am
Posted by BOSCEAUX
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 6:29 am to
I'm probably in the minority but I saw BB first. I binge watched both series and BB just stuck with me longer and I definitely believe it had the stronger finish. Ozymandias was as good as it gets.

The side characters in the earlier seasons of the Wire were soooo much better than those in season 5.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 6:45 am to
Cracked did a great breakdown of BB and The Wire. A funny video, I'll see if I can find it


ETA: Here it is
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 6:49 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 7:34 am to
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I binge watched both series and BB just stuck with me longer and I definitely believe it had the stronger finish.


I binge watched The Wire (but saw it first) - I binge watched BB to catch up and watched the last Season (maybe season and a half) in real time - so that was more of a hybrid experience.

BB definitely had a stronger finish, but many Wire fans dislike Season 2 and Season 5, specifically. I don't. I take it for what it is. I like Clark Johnson and that's the most acting I've seen him do.

You'll know him better as a director, having directed the pilot and finale of The Shield AND The Wire, putting him in the running for GOAT television director. And a very competent actor in the few things I've seen him in.
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 7:35 am
Posted by flvelo12
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 7:39 am to
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I like Clark Johnson

Check him out in Homicide if you haven't yet. An integral part of an excellent cast and show. Simon's first foray into Baltimore street life.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 7:43 am to
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Check him out in Homicide if you haven't yet. An integral part of an excellent cast and show.


My middle child is a fan of Homicide and Richard Belzer, particularly - his guest appearance on The Wire, as well as his crossover to Law and Order suggests the possibility of all 3 shows existing in the same universe. I probably watched 3 or 4 episodes over the years - I'm a fan of Andre Braugher, as well. I guess I need to gut it up and watch it.

Belzer's Homicide character (Munch) is also based on the real life Jay Landsman (who was played BY Delaney Williams in The Wire, but the real Jay Landsman played Lt. Mello - :confusingashell:)

This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 7:51 am
Posted by BowlJackson
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 7:46 am to
Nope. I finished the series about 3 weeks ago and almost started this exact same thread but I figured I'd get bashed.

I was okay with the way Omar went out because I felt like in real life a character like that would have to go out in a similarly unassuming and unexpected way.
But I was pissed off with the lead up to his death. They turned Omar into a a whiny gimp limping around hellbent on revenge. I felt like the Omar we knew to that point was too smart and too "in the game" to let his emotions blind him into getting killed.


The news paper angle was pretty lame too. They did a terrible job with that story line, but even at its best I think it still would have been lame. I didn't care at all about any of the newspaper characters. I don't even know any of their names.

The fake serial killer thing was just stupid.
McNulty was one of the best characters in the first two season and they turned him into absolute shite. From the only decent cop trying to actually catch criminals to a lunatic making up a serial killer, messing with bodies and evidence, and lying to reporters. I realize he had his demons with alcohol and stuff but c'mon. He was also a pimp the first few seasons but not he can barely hold onto an insecure and average looking woman like Beady?


I did think it was badass having Mike turn into the next Omar. And having Dookie turn into the next Bubbles just shows the cycle of the streets.


Overall after the first few episodes of the season I felt like the only reason I kept watching is because I wanted to see how it ended and what happened to the characters.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 7:49 am to
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Am I the only one that thinks it limped to the finish line?

I don't think it limped, but I can see why you'd say that though. S5 was weak in some aspects, but I liked other things about it too (like Michael's arc, lots of Chris Partlow, Cheese getting merked, Marlo trying to become legit but not being able to let go of the streets, Dukie's storyline, Bodi's arc, Bubbles, etc.).
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Also the way Omar went out was bullshite.

I will always argue against this though. That's the deal with a show like The Wire. This is what I've always said about that:
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That's the point though...it can be anybody at any time, and sometimes you won't even remotely see it coming. And to top that off, no matter how "dominant" in the game you think you are, eventually there will be someone who isn't scared of you...notice right before Omar got got, all the kids ran off except for Kenard, who kills him a couple minutes later.

Sure, as fans of the show, we'd like to see Omar go out guns blazing or in some sort of clever move by his opposition, but the reality is that it can happen anywhere and from anybody. And eventually there will be someone who isn't scared. Whether it's some badass dude or some random kid who isn't really capable of being afraid of Omar and his legend.

As much as it sucked for Omar as a character, I think Omar's death is a perfect example of that whole lifestyle: that shite can happen anywhere at any time.
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 7:51 am
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 7:50 am to
I loved season 5 and the ending.
Posted by BowlJackson
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 7:59 am to
Bodie died at the end of season 4, brah.
Posted by flvelo12
Palm Harbor, Florida
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 7:59 am to
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I'm a fan of Andre Braugher, as well. I guess I need to gut it up and watch it.

Solid series, worth a watch - but it does lose steam toward the end.

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Belzer's Homicide character (Munch) is also based on the real life Jay Landsman (who was played BY Delaney Williams in The Wire, but the real Jay Landsman played Lt. Mello - :confusingashell:)


confusingashell - putting it mildly.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:02 am to
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The fake serial killer thing was just stupid.

I didn't like that storyline at all, but if you look at it within the framework of McNulty and that crew doing whatever it takes to keep the wire going, it makes more sense. I mean, even someone like Lester Freamon (a pretty moral guy) got in on some of it because it was that important to keep the wire open. Also, I liked that it showed the ineptitude of detectives from a different angle (for example, how esily everyone bought into the whole red-string serial killer angle), and how easily others can buy into it when it benefits them (like the reporter and the paper)...to the point where McNulty even shocked himself when news outlets started reporting on it and he realized that it had sort of taken on a life of its own. That was cool.
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McNulty was one of the best characters in the first two season and they turned him into absolute shite. From the only decent cop trying to actually catch criminals to a lunatic making up a serial killer, messing with bodies and evidence, and lying to reporters. I realize he had his demons with alcohol and stuff but c'mon. He was also a pimp the first few seasons but not he can barely hold onto an insecure and average looking woman like Beady?

But that's reality. McNulty, while a good detective, was ultimately an a-hole drunk who basically fricked over everybody in his life that meant anything to him. He had the wife and kid (kids? Don't remember if he had more than one). But he threw that all away chasing pussy and the bottom of the bottle. And he had hot women as well, but that was never anything more than just arse to him, and he never cared about them at all. But at some point, he became so worthless (on a personal level) that he couldn't keep pulling arse like that, and Beady was all he had. And I'd like to hope that in the end, when Beady takes him back despite him fricking her over just like everyone else before her, he realized that she was a good person and didn't deserve his bullshite and he tried to clean himself up. But who knows..

Now, the more I'm sitting here talking about S5, the more I am liking it. But it definitely was my least favorite the first time I watched it.

As for the BB comparisons, it definitely did have a better finale overall, but as great of a show as BB is, it doesn't remotely touch The Wire for me. TW is hands-down the best show I've ever seen. BB is prolly top ten (maybe even five). And no shoe that I've ever seen has stirred up the emotions that I felt during that final montage sequence at the end of S5 of The Wire (Lost came close though).
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:05 am to
Also seeing Poot working in the shoe store was lame. Out of all the original crew he was the only one I wouldn't have minded seeing die. And not only is he the only one to live but he even got to leave the game like Wallace and Dee wanted to.
Posted by WPBTiger
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:08 am to
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The 1st 4 seasons were better than the entire run of BB, imo.


Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:15 am to
I've seen both and I feel the same way. BB had a better finale, but The Wire was just felt real and youre not just into the show, you're emotionally connected to the characters. It doesn't feel like a TV show.
BB was just more unrealistic. Almost like a dark comic book. It felt like TV and there wasn't the same emotional connection to the characters.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:39 am to
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Bodie died at the end of season 4, brah.

Word. Couldn't remember if it was end of S4 or early in S5.
Posted by jamsmiley
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:43 am to
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As much as it sucked for Omar as a character, I think Omar's death is a perfect example of that whole lifestyle: that shite can happen anywhere at any time.


i dont have a problem with Omar being killed, i have a problem with who killed hime
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:31 am to
Anyone else think Jay Landsman looks like a fat Jon Cena?

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