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re: 401(k) discrimination testing

Posted on 3/16/15 at 7:56 pm to
Posted by iAmBatman
The Batcave
Member since Mar 2011
12382 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 7:56 pm to
I would agree. If you can't contribute the amount you want in your 401(k) then take that extra amount and max out a Roth and then invest using a trading account
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 7:57 pm
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:53 pm to
quote:

100 % of the first 4 % contributed.


Now I'm really confused. I thought the two things that a company could do to start a safe harbor 401k was to either offer 100% dollar for dollar match on the first 4% of each employee's total yearly compensation that the employee chooses to invest themselves or put 3% of each employee's yearly compensation directly into that employee's 401k plan whether or not the employee makes a voluntary contribution themselves, as long as all money in the plan was 100% vested from day one.

It seems that your employer's 4% dollar for dollar matching meets the requirements, as long as it's 100% vested from day one. Why does your company not have a safe harbor plan already?

I might be missing something here.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37115 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 11:28 pm to
If you can't even put in enough to get the full match... holy crud your plan is top heavy.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37115 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 11:30 pm to
quote:

to either offer 100% dollar for dollar match on the first 4% of each employee's total yearly compensation that the employee chooses to invest themselves or put 3% of each employee's yearly compensation directly into that employee's 401k plan whether or not the employee makes a voluntary contribution themselves, as long as all money in the plan was 100% vested from day one.


You got the second safe harbor correct. The first one is dollar for dollar to 3, and 50 cents on the dollar for 4 and 5. I'm not sure if 100 percent to 4 counts.

Also, under either option, employer match must be 100 percent vested from the start. So if you have a vesting schedule, it doesn't matter what percentage you match or contribute - no safe harbor.
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38551 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 5:55 am to
Our company does have a vesting schedule. I am 5 years into my company and am fully vested.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:57 am to
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Our company does have a vesting schedule.


Man, I hate to say this, but have you considered that another company with a more favorable benefits package might be the solution to your problem?
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
13629 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

What's done is done, can't change anything for 2014.


I think you can still start your own Roth IRA for 2014.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72717 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 2:08 pm to
Yep. Max a Roth ira. The benefits of that over a 401k have been listed here plenty times.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19694 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 3:29 pm to
I don't understand how a company doesn't pass non discrimination testing. Is nobody besides the highly compensated employees participating in the plan? Is the plan not following their own vesting and participation rules? If there is a long wait to start participating, the company needs to change their plan policy and just auto enroll everyone at 3% when they are eligible and put it into a low risk default fund. That way you get people to participatte and hopefully avoid the non discrimination testing.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37115 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 5:27 pm to
quote:

I don't understand how a company doesn't pass non discrimination testing. Is nobody besides the highly compensated employees participating in the plan?


THat's generally exactly what happens - only the highly compensated employees participate or participate at a much higher level.

quote:

the company needs to change their plan policy and just auto enroll everyone at 3% when they are eligible and put it into a low risk default fund.


That by itself probably won't prevent a failure, but it would at least cut down on the amount that it is overfunded.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19694 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 5:19 pm to
Only three of the main partners participate in our plan for whatever reason. Then as plan administrator, I recommended to start auto enrolling everyone as soon as they become eligible. If some mid level employees left that make a decent amount, we might be in trouble though but that is likely not to ever happen.
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