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re: JPSO releases longer version of cop-teen altercation
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:11 am to GRTiger
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:11 am to GRTiger
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All of my cop friends and family have posted this extended video as a victory for the cop. I am trying very hard to see what they see, but I have no clue how those extra 13 seconds make that deputy look any better.
It's funny because they look for what can be, not what is. When looking for legal protection, they're not trying to use logic, or common sense, only something that can save their arse. So, even if in complete instinct Becker was trying to save himself from the arse beating he was expecting to get, and eventually got, some people will see him as the aggressor. Forget the fact that Porche (standing right next to the altercation) never felt compelled to get physically involved, we're supposed to believe punches to the face were adequate because of Becker's violent behavior.
Same thing when they read the gist or police incident report. They're not looking for accuracy, they're seeing if it meets criteria for PC and an arrest...the rest is bullshite.
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They cop may have thought the kid was trying to pull him back down. Depending on how drunk the kid was (which is exactly why it's relevant even though his dumb attorney says it's not) the kid grabbing his leg while trying to stand up could have been misconstrued.
So, if we can rationally assume that during the time of the incident Becker and Breaux were possibly not the two best individuals to make a correct assessment of the situation (Breaux because he was involved in the scuffle and Becker because he may have been drunk) the next best judgement of the situation we have is Porche....who basically stood idly by while the wrestling match was going on before Breaux used Beckers face as a punching bag.
His behavior tells me more than anything...prior to the punches he did not appear concerned at all for the safety of his partner.
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The good cops are really hurting themselves by trying to cover and make excuses for bad cops
It just adds to the circle of non respect and lack of trust. It doesnt matter if you're a good cop or not, when you sit next to dirty dogs, you get up with flees.
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I think the general consensus is the kid deserved to be arrested,
For what? Yelling "f&*k the police" to cops is stupid...it isn't illegal. Now, JPSO wants you to believe that Becker pushed Breaux BEFORE being arrested, AFTER Breaux ID'd himself. That Breaux walked up to Becker, said he was a cop then Becker said "F&*K you Pig" and pushed him...thats completely laughable. If anyone believes that you're nothing more than a bootlicker yourself.
Now, if you believe Becker and Breaux/Porche were harassing his friend threatening to kick his arse, then he went in to intervene, yeah I could see a situation where he may have gotten between the cops and his friend. That kinda makes sense. Why was his friend (who never even got arrested) being harassed in the first place? What laws did he break?
The only PC here that is viable is that Becker was being arrested for pushing the cop or because he started a riot. There was no riot, complete BS. Now, it's a matter of whether or not you believe Becker pushed Breaux and if so, what were those details.
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:14 am to Napoleon
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Napoleon
You went to rummel mid 90's and are from Kenner? I find it hard to believe you don't know my brother.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:24 am to tigersownall
Kid grabs the cop several times. I won't say he deserved the beating, but its better than being tazed, which I believe the cop would have been within his scope of duty to do.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:24 am to LSUfan4444
Can someone give cliff notes, and do the cliff notes include that this whole thing could have been avoided if cops' orders were obeyed?
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 8:54 am
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:29 am to Chicken
Cliff notes :
Perp = golf
Cop= admins
But seriously, I don't know the backstory, but I don't think the cop was out of line, maybe a couple too many punches
Perp = golf
Cop= admins
But seriously, I don't know the backstory, but I don't think the cop was out of line, maybe a couple too many punches
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:34 am to LSUfan4444
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Even more than the beating, the entire situation here is screwed up. Becker is a punk and deserved an a55 kicking, just not from this cop. Protect and serve shouldn't mean obey or get your arse kicked, even at Mardi Gras.
Becker is a good kid. His parent just split up, he's 17 and drinking like most kids 17 do if they can get away with it. Some can handle it enough to get away with it, he couldn't. He should face the law for what he is guilty of.
Undercover cops shouldn't get it verbal shouting matches with kids. If only uniformed cops were involved I really doubt anything more than the one kid goes to jail.
This is going to open a full investigation on JP practices is what I'm hearing. My very close relative that formally work at the N.O. FBI office says is on.
The sheriff didn't do himself a favor by saying he would have kicked him in the groin.That will be talked about in court.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 9:13 am to LSUfan4444
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His behavior tells me more than anything...prior to the punches he did not appear concerned at all for the safety of his partner.
Exactly. He is just standing there without a care in the world. If Becker had pushed his partner you can take it to the bank that he would be all up in it and they would have him pinned to the ground in half a second. Not sure how you go from a non-threatening situation to bashing a kids face in, especially from that video!
Posted on 3/6/15 at 9:16 am to Tigerstudent08
In other under cover cop videos I've seen most of the time their badge is around their necks on a chain hidden but available to show. I'm not seeing any badge at all in this video, obviously he's "under cover" but I just get a feeling he never id'ed himself as a cop.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 9:22 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
So let's go through the sequence of events from the JPSO's side of the story.
1. Becker attends parade with friends and presumably starts drinking (enough to get a .147).
2. As a highschool (that his mother teaches at) band passes by he gets in the middle of them and begins to pick on a 7th grader. 1 chaperone attempts to remove him and gets shoved back by Becker. 3 more chaperones have to help remove him from the middle of the band. Approximately 1 hour earlier than his arrest.
3. One of Becker's friends gets arrested by plain clothes officers for possession of Marijuana.
4. A crowd forms and begins chanting, "frick the police, frick the pigs". Supposedly led by Becker.
5. 2 deputies break away from the arrest and try to disperse the crowd. After the first attempt, they go back to the crowd and one gets shoved by Becker and the other punched by a friend of Becker's.
6. A deputy radio's in a 108 (officer in distress) and the plain clothes officers show up some time during the scuffle.
7. The fight goes to the ground for some time undetermined before any video begins.
8. Video picks up with Becker on the ground actively resisting (poorly).
9. Becker gets punched in the head with 4 punches, then he finally gives up and is placed in handcuffs.
10. Becker goes to Jail and his mother calls the next morning saying she's sending a lawyer to talk to him that "goes after cops."
11. Becker is pictured with his mother (the teacher) drinking at Bacchus the following day.
Did i miss anything?
1. Becker attends parade with friends and presumably starts drinking (enough to get a .147).
2. As a highschool (that his mother teaches at) band passes by he gets in the middle of them and begins to pick on a 7th grader. 1 chaperone attempts to remove him and gets shoved back by Becker. 3 more chaperones have to help remove him from the middle of the band. Approximately 1 hour earlier than his arrest.
3. One of Becker's friends gets arrested by plain clothes officers for possession of Marijuana.
4. A crowd forms and begins chanting, "frick the police, frick the pigs". Supposedly led by Becker.
5. 2 deputies break away from the arrest and try to disperse the crowd. After the first attempt, they go back to the crowd and one gets shoved by Becker and the other punched by a friend of Becker's.
6. A deputy radio's in a 108 (officer in distress) and the plain clothes officers show up some time during the scuffle.
7. The fight goes to the ground for some time undetermined before any video begins.
8. Video picks up with Becker on the ground actively resisting (poorly).
9. Becker gets punched in the head with 4 punches, then he finally gives up and is placed in handcuffs.
10. Becker goes to Jail and his mother calls the next morning saying she's sending a lawyer to talk to him that "goes after cops."
11. Becker is pictured with his mother (the teacher) drinking at Bacchus the following day.
Did i miss anything?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:20 am to MahiFishn
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she's sending a lawyer to talk to him that "goes after cops."
I dont understand why this keeps getting thrown out there like it is a bad thing. There are attorney's who specialize in legal action against police departments.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:24 am to MahiFishn
There are things in there I have not seen JPSO say...don't know if you're accurate or not, just that I cannot confirm
Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:30 am to MahiFishn
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Did i miss anything?
yeah...can you show me in the video where all of this happened?
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4. A crowd forms and begins chanting, "frick the police, frick the pigs". Supposedly led by Becker.
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2 deputies break away from the arrest and try to disperse the crowd. After the first attempt, they go back to the crowd and one gets shoved by Becker and the other punched by a friend of Becker's.
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A deputy radio's in a 108 (officer in distress) and the plain clothes officers show up some time during the scuffle.
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Becker on the ground actively resisting (poorly).
Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:34 am to MahiFishn
Thanks, MahiFishn...not sure if this is the truth, but sounds more plausible than a cop beating up this kid for no reason.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:47 am to LSUfan4444
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For what? Yelling "f&*k the police" to cops is stupid...it isn't illegal
No but interfering with the parade, public underage drunkenness, inciting a riot, resisting an arrest, and probably a few other charges should have him arrested....but not beaten
Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:48 am to LSUfan4444
I posted a link somewhere with the entire 40 minute presser broken into 3 parts. On mobile now someone else post it.
Not saying I agree, just summarizing what Normand covers in the press conference.
Not saying I agree, just summarizing what Normand covers in the press conference.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:49 am to Chicken
quote:the main controversy (to me at least) is if the officer identified himself. I tend to think he didn't, which led the alleged "shove."'
that this whole thing could have been avoided if cops' orders were obeyed?
It seems like both sides are lying about everything.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:56 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Fact of the matter is if the kid is acting like a civilized member of society, none of this happens.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:57 am to Tigerpaw123
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No but interfering with the parade, public underage drunkenness, inciting a riot, resisting an arrest, and probably a few other charges should have him arrested....but not beaten
Other than "inciting a riot", none of the other issues is what he was allegedly being arrested for. Public intoxication wasn't even a charge, either was disturbing the peace.
For some cops and a good bit of other people they feel it's okay to come arrest you, then figure out something you did wrong to warrant that arrest. if you resist or question an unlawful arrest, guess what....add another charge.
Do you truly believe the group of kids in the garage was a "riot"?
If it were a riot, why did the cops leave after confronting the group the first time? According to JPSO, they approached the kids, told them to leave and came back later after they didn't, then smelled alcohol and weed, then all of a sudden Breaux was pushed by Becker. Does that sound like the cops confronted a riot and arrested the instigator?
The closest it got to a riot is when Becker decided to show his toughman skills by beating up a drunk teenager.
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 11:01 am
Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:00 am to Chicken
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more plausible than a cop beating up this kid for no reason.
so yelling "frick the police" and possibly shoving undercover police officer that had not identified himself is enough reason for the kid tho have his face beaten in?
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 11:03 am
Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:00 am to toosleaux
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Fact of the matter is if the kid is acting like a civilized member of society, none of this happens.
There are numerous reasons/ways this could have been avoided and yes....if the kid would have OBEYED the cop he probably would have been set free but protect and serve should not mean obey or get your arse kicked.
If I was a cop I wouldn't like some smart mouth kid telling me to go "F&%k myself" either, but it still doesn't mean they should just go arresting people who make them mad.
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