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re: What's the point of looking for suicide notes?
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:47 pm to Moustache
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:47 pm to Moustache
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I believe they can. It's been reported that on the day that many people commit suicide they seem more cheerful to others than they have been. That's because they're going for the quick fix and they're relieved.
Again, you are drawing assumptions. Assuming that is true, it is just as easy for me to say that they were being nice to everyone because they knew they'd never see them again. That is based on nothing.
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I've read extensively on it, but I just feel differently than you do.
Read about neurotransmitters and the effect an imbalance can have on consciousness. Read about what the lack of serotonin and dopamine (and/or an increase in norepinephrine) will do to the prefrontal cortex.
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Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:47 pm to rbWarEagle
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What is your education with regard to neurophysiology? Cognitive psychology?
I claim none. And you?
What is your life experience with suicide?
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:49 pm to CAD703X
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So whats the point of even looking for them or reading them?
In relation to investigating a suicide, it would go a long way in confirming that it was in fact a suicide.
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:49 pm to CadesCove
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What is your education with regard to neurophysiology? Cognitive psychology?
I claim none. And you?
What is your life experience with suicide?
i know you are talking to wareagle. But i work in a mental health hospital and see major depression and much more serious illness on a daily basis. Its a very sad and real sickness.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:50 pm to Jim Rockford
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Not this shite again. It always comes up in these threads. Suicidal people are not rational. Selfishness doesn't enter in to it.
And often times don't perceive their suicide as selfish, but rather selfless. Their warped view of themselves and those around them can make them believe they are doing others a favor by killing themselves.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:50 pm to CadesCove
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I claim none. And you?
Graduate level work.
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What is your life experience with suicide?
1 family member, 1 close friend, several friends (or friends of friends).
One person, for instance, was a lifelong sufferer of Bipolar 1. Another, someone who suffered from long term (diagnosed) depression.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:51 pm to CAD703X
Of all the stupid shite I have read on this board, this is the dumbest shite I have ever read that wasn't a Peej post.
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:53 pm to rbWarEagle
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Bipolar
scary scary one... this is one that they are happy one min and completly desperate the next. Horrible to see
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:54 pm to CAD703X
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I mean if you're selfish enough to take your own life, I imagine you're also selfish enough to lie or drag other people's names through the mud just to take them down with you.
Want to know how I know you've never dealt with a suicidal person?
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:54 pm to Moustache
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I believe they can. It's been reported that on the day that many people commit suicide they seem more cheerful to others than they have been. That's because they're going for the quick fix and they're relieved.
A. Thats not true.
B. If someone is cheery that day its probably because they think their suffering AND the suffering of others they associate with is about to end.
They aren't rational. Stop applying rational thought and ideas to their situation.
I wouldn't do it, but I have dealt with people at that point in their life. Some of you sound very bitter or uneducated on the subject, or a combination of both.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:56 pm to oleyeller
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scary scary one... this is one that they are happy one min and completly desperate the next. Horrible to see
Agreed. His was more long term - he would go weeks in a state of mania and then weeks in a deep depression. Lock his doors, turn the AC as low as it would go, unplug the phones, shut the blinds, wouldn't answer the door, etc. The manic days, he was hard to keep up with. Constantly working on new projects. Brilliant guy, too. Quite mechanically/technically gifted.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:58 pm to rbWarEagle
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Read about what the lack of serotonin and dopamine (and/or an increase in norepinephrine) will do to the prefrontal cortex.
Do you have any legit sources or scientific papers? Have they confirmed this in humans? I want to read up on it, but I don't feel like wading through a bunch of bullshite and misinformation on the internet.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:59 pm to oleyeller
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Its a very sad and real sickness.
No argument here. But killing yourself is still a cowardly action.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 2:59 pm to DosManos
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Do you have any legit sources or scientific papers? Have they confirmed this in humans?
Absolutely. One second, I'll get you started.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 3:00 pm to rbWarEagle
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Brilliant guy, too. Quite mechanically/technically gifted.
i have seen this in many of our patients also. But thei brain just doesnt work right! Its freaking horrible to see and scares the hell out of me because this could happen to anyone anytime.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 3:00 pm to DosManos
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Do you have any legit sources or scientific papers? Have they confirmed this in humans? I want to read up on it, but I don't feel like wading through a bunch of bullshite and misinformation on the internet.
What? Are you asking if its proven humans can have serotonin and/or dopamine deficiencies that causes depression?
Posted on 3/2/15 at 3:01 pm to CadesCove
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Its a very sad and real sickness.
No argument here. But killing yourself is still a cowardly action.
some situations YES! if this is what you want to hear.
if you are saying all suicide is selfish then you are 100% wrong, sorry
Posted on 3/2/15 at 3:02 pm to CAD703X
I don't have depression and I've never been remotely close to suicidal or anything... but when I get really pissed-off, sad, etc.... sometimes it helps to write my thoughts down on paper.
I think it helps me to organize my thoughts and come up with a plan to overcome my problems when I'm not thinking totally rationally.
I think it helps me to organize my thoughts and come up with a plan to overcome my problems when I'm not thinking totally rationally.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 3:02 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Do you have any legit sources or scientific papers? Have they confirmed this in humans? I want to read up on it, but I don't feel like wading through a bunch of bull shite and misinformation on the internet.
What? Are you asking if its proven humans can have serotonin and/or dopamine deficiencies that causes depression?
i think he is legit asking for some info on the topic
Posted on 3/2/15 at 3:03 pm to DosManos
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DosManos
Just speaking to what I was saying about what different levels of neurotransmitters will do to the prefrontal cortex. This one is an easy read:
This is your brain in meltdown
This post was edited on 3/2/15 at 3:05 pm
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