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re: Seems like most people have Matic's back after Barnes' horror tackle
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:12 pm to McCaigBro69
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:12 pm to McCaigBro69
RandySavage,
I honestly do not like Chelsea, however, I have respect for them and their fans since the match up is always a great one when I go and watch it, but you have honestly ruined it for me. Who attacks someone because of their opinion over a guy who didnt get injured? You, that's who. Seriously, what Is wrong with you that makes you feel the need for personal attacks on a message board? I'm all for discussion and debate but you take it to a level that's just not wanted by anyone. If you cant respect what other people think or say on here than don't expect anyone else to respect your opinion.
Regardless, this happened days ago. It's over. Move the frick on.
I honestly do not like Chelsea, however, I have respect for them and their fans since the match up is always a great one when I go and watch it, but you have honestly ruined it for me. Who attacks someone because of their opinion over a guy who didnt get injured? You, that's who. Seriously, what Is wrong with you that makes you feel the need for personal attacks on a message board? I'm all for discussion and debate but you take it to a level that's just not wanted by anyone. If you cant respect what other people think or say on here than don't expect anyone else to respect your opinion.
Regardless, this happened days ago. It's over. Move the frick on.
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:18 pm to RandySavage
See I get what you're saying, but according to the rules they can't, I mean he did shove the guy in the face... I think that particular rule needs to be more of a judgement thing, but we're stuck with it the way it is.
Now as for Barnes, he should have been sent of with Matic and should have a 3 game ban as well
Now as for Barnes, he should have been sent of with Matic and should have a 3 game ban as well
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:23 pm to McCaigBro69
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Ever heard of Lake Travis football?
No.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:27 pm to McCaigBro69
You can have an opinion, but when it's based on thinking as terrible as "he didn't get hurt so it's no big deal" and "he got what he deserved" (tough that may be EastNastySwag, I can't keep you two straight) I can't handle/respect/whatever that.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:32 pm to RandySavage
Burnley twitter trolling Mourinho
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Clarets Turf ?@claretsturf 5h5 hours ago
There will be a minute applause on Saturday against Swansea on minutes 30,33,43 and 69.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:37 pm to Tigerfan7218
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See I get what you're saying, but according to the rules they can't, I mean he did shove the guy in the face... I think that particular rule needs to be more of a judgement thing, but we're stuck with it the way it is.
Yeah, that's the thing and I don't think it matters whether it was the face or where but simply that it wasn't just a little push out with the hands like you often see but he took a running start and went in pretty hard with his leg as well.
Again, I don't blame Matic for doing it at all but it would really open up a huge can of worms if you have the review committee start judging whether players "deserved" to get rushed and thrown down or not.
I can see where Randy is saying that it's not too much for such a long ban but it really happens all the time when players are provoked.
Hell, provoking Balotelli was a more important tactic than formation when he played for City. The committee could have spent a week on every one of those matches, especially ones where he got a red card for stomping someone who'd already gone in late to kick him 20 times.
De Rossi got a 5 match ban last year for elbowing a player that the replay clearly shows kneeing him in the balls three times and then twisting his ear around before he reacts. He said: "I shouldn't have lost my head, I know the rules."
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:41 pm to Tigerfan7218
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I mean he did shove the guy in the face
There was no shove to the face? It was a chest push. Webb said that the refs were told a push to the head or neck would warrant a red card and a push to the chest is a yellow. So that's another reason why the ban should be rescinded.
BBC article quoting Keith Hackett
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Martin Atkinson needs a rest after his "incompetent" officiating display in Chelsea's 1-1 draw with Burnley, says former referees' chief Keith Hackett.
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But Hackett, who was head of Professional Game Match Officials Limited until 2010, said Barnes had already made two challenges worthy of red cards.
Having not been sanctioned for an aerial clash with Branislav Ivanovic, the Burnley forward caught Matic on his left shin with his studs showing, prompting the Serb's angry response.
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Hackett said Atkinson's performance was "one of the worst" he has seen, adding: "It was an incompetent display.
"I feel sorry for the Chelsea player because he has reacted to a leg-breaking challenge. Never mind a cup final, that could have cost him his career.
"There is no place in the game for challenges like that and it should have been punished."
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:45 pm to KneffLSU
Does it really matter if it was in the face?
I don't know of any rule that says as long as you avoid the face you can rush a player and use your arms and leg to knock him down as long as you don't touch his face?
I don't know of any rule that says as long as you avoid the face you can rush a player and use your arms and leg to knock him down as long as you don't touch his face?
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:48 pm to wm72
According to Webb it does matter if it is head or body. That is a difference in a yellow or red card.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:58 pm to etm512
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There will be a minute applause on Saturday against Swansea on minutes 30,33,43 and 69.
Seriously though. I can't blame Matic as I've reacted the exact same way multiple times in that situation. Its not the right thing to do, but it is what it is. Don't blame him in any way.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:13 pm to BleedPurpleGold
I understand the "if the match official saw it" rule. My question is if Atkinson saw it, how can he avoid pulling out even a yellow card? That's alarming. If you're going to let a guy get away with multiple offenses in a game without even a caution, what type of message are you sending. I don't want somebody who sees that tackle and sees NOTHING wrong with it officiating any match I'm taking part in.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:15 pm to KneffLSU
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According to Webb it does matter if it is head or body. That is a difference in a yellow or red card.
I think, though, that's just Webb's opinion of how he would have called it personally.
You see players push someone in the head lightly and get a yellow while you also see players elbow them in the back or chest ect and get reds all the time.
The De Rossi red card and five match ban I mentioned above was for an elbow (that was really a light sideways nudge that didn't even move the player at all) in the side.
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I don't want somebody who sees that tackle and sees NOTHING wrong with it officiating any match I'm taking part in.
But players get paid a lot to play in England where they like it like that.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:19 pm to wm72
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I think, though, that's just Webb's opinion of how he would have called it personally.
Could be the English interpretation
Feel like that's pretty consistent with what I've seen in the past
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:22 pm to etm512
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There will be a minute applause on Saturday against Swansea on minutes 30,33,43 and 69
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:27 pm to wm72
Webb is also technical director of the Professional Game Match Officials Board. Seems like his opinion carries more weight than most. I'm sure he tells the officials things like this.
LINK
Its mostly just a shame that Barnes who committed several dangerous acts all game and has a history of this went unpunished. He has the most fouls in the PL this season and once was suspended seven games for tripping a ref, this wasn't a one off affair for Barnes.
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As Howard Webb reiterated during his appearance on Sky Sports earlier this season, a push, or a movement of the head towards another player, doesn’t necessarily warrant a red card and Matic, who pushed Barnes in the back, should have only been cautioned for adopting an aggressive attitude.
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Its mostly just a shame that Barnes who committed several dangerous acts all game and has a history of this went unpunished. He has the most fouls in the PL this season and once was suspended seven games for tripping a ref, this wasn't a one off affair for Barnes.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:34 pm to KneffLSU
Yeah, maybe they give them more lenient guidelines in England.
I only saw the incident a couple of times on the highlight show, but immediately it was that Matic went in with his leg more than the push with his arms that made the stronger impression.
I only saw the incident a couple of times on the highlight show, but immediately it was that Matic went in with his leg more than the push with his arms that made the stronger impression.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 4:30 pm to KneffLSU
The same frickin' Howard Webb that just only cautioned Nigel de Jong for his Kung Fu Fighting tackle on Xabi Alonso?? Hmmmm.......
Posted on 2/23/15 at 4:45 pm to EastNastySwag
The same Howard Webb who is technical head of the officiating body. Large amount of people view him as one of, if not the best of England's referees for years. He is just one of many people who viewed it in this same way. From commentators to former players to former referees. All saying how poor Atkinson was in the game.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 5:03 pm to KneffLSU
Does anyone get the irony of this? A Chelsea fan propping up Howard Webb? That is just so rich in irony.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 5:12 pm to EastNastySwag
Well of course. I just said many people regarded him highly, figured you must as well with your huge anger towards Chelsea. He now has a major position among referees and speaks with them on what to call. If hes saying now it shouldn't be a red then that says something, even with his prior calls.
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