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re: Testosterone injections or gel?
Posted on 2/18/15 at 4:59 pm to Layabout
Posted on 2/18/15 at 4:59 pm to Layabout
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Posted by Layabout
Enjoy your early-onset prostate cancer.
I asked my doc about this and he said they would continue testing to make sure no complications. He seemed very chill about all this while I had a lot of questions. He kept stating it was just giving me normal levels of what I already needed like insulin to a diabetic.
I'm not going to get jacked up bc I won't put in the time. I was more worried about psychological side effects than anything.
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Posted on 2/18/15 at 5:02 pm to PT24-7
quote:But mainly the injections. It's a quick and easy (and, IMO, dangerous and irresponsible) way for primary care doctors to make a quick buck. As men age, a higher and higher percentage will have "low T," so if your PCP checks every male patient through the door, he can make thousands off of these "T shots."
doctor. . . wants me to have an MRI and injections
We have very few legit studies on the long-term effects of testosterone replacement, but the studies we do have suggest that it increases risk of some serious medical problems like cardiovascular disease and prostate cancer.
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Posted on 2/18/15 at 5:04 pm to PT24-7
quote:Classic. I've actually heard of other docs saying the exact same thing. It's not an outright lie, but it's a very deceptive way to put it. If diabetics (type 1s at least, i.e., the ones who require insulin) don't get insulin, they die. If you don't get testosterone injections, maybe you'll have a little less energy and libido, but that's about it.
He kept stating it was just giving me normal levels of what I already needed like insulin to a diabetic.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 5:08 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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maybe you'll have a little less energy and libido, but that's about it
Well that's a pretty big friggin thing there!
Posted on 2/18/15 at 5:08 pm to Ole Geauxt
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Frick and Fight. At least that was my experience.
At the same time?
Only if you drink hard liquor. Otherwise, no.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 5:09 pm to nino2469
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bullshite, as long as the doctor is monitoring this should not be an issue.
He'll monitor for prostate cancer so you'll be sure to know when you get it. There are proven links between T supplements and prostate cancer. T supplements also promote the growth of the more aggressive varieties of prostate cancer. You're trading improved vigor now for the risk of very serious long-term consequences. The good news is that you'll sire a lot of babies. The bad news is that you won't live to see them grow up.
This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 2/18/15 at 5:14 pm to BoostAddict
quote:True. But not as big as a heart attack, stroke, or cancer.
Well that's a pretty big friggin thing there!
Posted on 2/18/15 at 5:15 pm to PT24-7
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I asked my doc about this and he said they would continue testing to make sure no complications.
Maybe you should ask him why he feels the need to continue testing.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 5:17 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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True. But not as big as a heart attack, stroke, or cancer.
Agreed, and after reading your 18 pages of research, I'm staying with my original statement,, if possible, stick to oysters..
Posted on 2/18/15 at 5:20 pm to PT24-7
Know two people, who dude ended up with tumor on his kidney, another prostate cancer. From taking T, who knows but young dudes with no family hx. No way can't be side effects messing with the body like that.
I raised mine (I'm 41) and another buddy (45) did the same by high intensity workouts with weight training, quit eating junk, and doing something to get stress under control. But that's not the easy way and the shots/gel work so what do I know.
I raised mine (I'm 41) and another buddy (45) did the same by high intensity workouts with weight training, quit eating junk, and doing something to get stress under control. But that's not the easy way and the shots/gel work so what do I know.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 5:34 pm to Layabout
Actually while on exogenous t your nuts will no longer work therefore more than likely making you sterile
Posted on 2/18/15 at 5:39 pm to PT24-7
One of the biggest risks of testosterone replacement therapy is that when your body senses the injected T, it compensates by slowing down natural testosterone production... the result: you become dependent on the injections. It may be the right treatment for some people, but if you're just a little low, if you start taking the injections, you risk needing to take them from now on.
One supposedly safer alternative is to take Clomid... usually prescribed to women, but sometimes to men. It is shown to naturally support your body's ability to naturally create T and supports higher sperm count (Test injections sometimes lower sperm count.) Here's a more detailed article on it:
LINK
Whatever you do, you should probably research any potential treatment further before starting anything.
If you're not really that low, and if you have the will to commit to a lifestyle change, consider modifying your diet (less carbs & soy... soy is particularly bad at sapping T and promoting estrogen), and do more weight lifting (heavy weights and exercises like squats are most beneficial for natural T production).
One supposedly safer alternative is to take Clomid... usually prescribed to women, but sometimes to men. It is shown to naturally support your body's ability to naturally create T and supports higher sperm count (Test injections sometimes lower sperm count.) Here's a more detailed article on it:
LINK
Whatever you do, you should probably research any potential treatment further before starting anything.
If you're not really that low, and if you have the will to commit to a lifestyle change, consider modifying your diet (less carbs & soy... soy is particularly bad at sapping T and promoting estrogen), and do more weight lifting (heavy weights and exercises like squats are most beneficial for natural T production).
Posted on 2/18/15 at 5:40 pm to PT24-7
i'd love to get some injections and become more tough and manly but i'm frightened of those lil needles
Posted on 2/18/15 at 5:43 pm to bayourougebengal
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shots
Clearly y'all don't pin...
Posted on 2/18/15 at 6:11 pm to PT24-7
A lot of misinformation in this thread which I expected.
First, go to an endocrinologist and urologist. Low T is different for everyone. 350 for a 21 yr old and 70 year old are both in the normal range, but one is suffering.
Two, injections require you to visit the doc and if you truly are suffering from low T to where you are run ragged all the time, it could be an option to consider. You'll likely be getting them twice a month once they get your levels in order, but injections induce a sharp rise and it lowers as the month goes on. The gel, or whatever you use will give you a more steady constant, a more normal feeling day in and day out. As for women and children-I don't know how that is around them. Obviously dangerous for a child or woman to be handling it, but it dries quickly on your skin.
Third, someone mentioned clomid. Unless your FSH and LH are low then it's useless. It makes those rise, but if your pituitary is already making plenty it's a no go.
Finally, go to a urologist and endocrinologist and have them do their own blood work as well. Get second opinions and transfer records so they're on the same page. This isn't a light issue and shouldn't be seen as an aw shucks I'll do it attitude, but it appears you don't anyway. I've taken injections and gel and prefer the gel. Again, your levels wane slowly after getting them so you'd be doing it at minimum once a month. There are risks involved and sometimes you have no option. And yes, you will be completely sterile taking it.
Don't go by just a primary care doctor's words. Go to a specialist like I mentioned.
First, go to an endocrinologist and urologist. Low T is different for everyone. 350 for a 21 yr old and 70 year old are both in the normal range, but one is suffering.
Two, injections require you to visit the doc and if you truly are suffering from low T to where you are run ragged all the time, it could be an option to consider. You'll likely be getting them twice a month once they get your levels in order, but injections induce a sharp rise and it lowers as the month goes on. The gel, or whatever you use will give you a more steady constant, a more normal feeling day in and day out. As for women and children-I don't know how that is around them. Obviously dangerous for a child or woman to be handling it, but it dries quickly on your skin.
Third, someone mentioned clomid. Unless your FSH and LH are low then it's useless. It makes those rise, but if your pituitary is already making plenty it's a no go.
Finally, go to a urologist and endocrinologist and have them do their own blood work as well. Get second opinions and transfer records so they're on the same page. This isn't a light issue and shouldn't be seen as an aw shucks I'll do it attitude, but it appears you don't anyway. I've taken injections and gel and prefer the gel. Again, your levels wane slowly after getting them so you'd be doing it at minimum once a month. There are risks involved and sometimes you have no option. And yes, you will be completely sterile taking it.
Don't go by just a primary care doctor's words. Go to a specialist like I mentioned.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 6:36 pm to CAT
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raised mine (I'm 41) and another buddy (45) did the same by high intensity workouts with weight training, quit eating junk, and doing something to get stress under control
That is all well and good, but after a certain the results are diminished and men need a boost if they want/need to raise their T levels. In your early 40's you should not need TRT.
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But that's not the easy way and the shots/gel work so what do I know.
I have been in the room when docs tell ppl that TRT is not going to fix anything unless they exercise, watch what they eat, basically live a healthy lifestyle.
To those saying that it will give you prostate cancer:
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Until just a few years ago, it was almost universally believed that T [testosterone] therapy would lead to some degree of increased risk of prostate cancer. During that time testosterone therapy was seen to represent the proverbial pact with the devil, by trading short-term sexual and physical rewards for the ultimate development of a malignant cancer. Fortunately, this belief has been shown to be incorrect, and medical opinion has begun to shift quite dramatically, with good evidence that testosterone therapy is quite safe for the prostate. There is even now a growing concern that low testosterone is a risk for prostate cancer rather than high testosterone.
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The Evidence as it Now Stands
For over sixty-five years, there has been a fear that testosterone therapy will cause new prostate cancers to arise or hidden ones to grow. Although no large-scale studies have yet been performed to provide a definitive verdict on the safety of testosterone therapy, it is quite remarkable to discover that the long-standing fear about testosterone and prostate cancer has little scientific support. The old concepts, taken as gospel, do not stand up to critical examination. I believe the best summary about the risk of prostate cancer from testosterone therapy, based on published evidence at the time this book is written, is as follows:
Low blood levels of testosterone do not protect against prostate cancer and, indeed, may increase the risk.
High blood levels of testosterone do not increase the risk of prostate cancer.
Treatment with testosterone does not increase the risk of prostate cancer, even among men who are already at high risk for it.
In men who do have metastatic prostate cancer and who have been given treatment that drops their blood levels of testosterone to near zero, starting treatment with testosterone (or stopping treatment that has lowered their testosterone to near zero) might increase the risk that residual cancer will again start to grow.
Prostate cancer with infiltration into bladder, lymph nodes, and urethra.
Prostate cancer with infiltration into bladder, lymph nodes, and urethra.
One of the most important and reassuring studies regarding testosterone and prostate cancer was an article published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute in 2008, in which the authors of eighteen separate studies from around the world pooled their data regarding the likelihood of developing prostate cancer based on concentrations of various hormones, including testosterone. This enormous study included more than 3,000 men with prostate cancer and more than 6,000 men without prostate cancer, who served as controls in the study. No relationship was found between prostate cancer and any of the hormones studied, including total testosterone, free testosterone, or other minor androgens. In an accompanying editorial, Dr. Carpenter and colleagues from the University of North Carolina School of Public Health suggest scientists finally move beyond the long-believed but unsupported view that high testosterone is a risk for prostate cancer.
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This myth about testosterone replacement therapy being linked to prostate cancer has been rooted deep in medical consciousness for over 60 years," said study co-author, Dr. Malcolm Carruthers, medical director at the Center for Men's Health in London. "But this paper says no, testosterone treatment is actually good for the prostate, not bad."
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Researchers looked at 1,365 men participating in the ongoing U.K. Androgen Study. The men were treated with testosterone for at least three months for up to 20 years.
The researchers calculated that for every 10 men taking testosterone for 21 years, one would develop prostate cancer. In most cases, the cancer was detected with a test of prostate-specific antigen (PSA), a protein that suggests the presence of prostate cancer when found at high levels.
Based on study results, the researchers said that testosterone treatment is safe when carefully monitored.
quote:LINK
Substantial evidence supports the value of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) in improving quality of life in men with proven aging male syndrome (AMS). Benefits of TRT include improved bone mineral density, reduced fracture risk, increased muscle mass, and improved mood, sense of well being, and libido, among others. There is currently a heated debate about the theoretical association between TRT and the initiation, progression, and aggressiveness of prostate cancer; however, this link has not been uniformly studied, and any results have been contradictory and nonconclusive. Although no clear evidence links TRT to prostate cancer, the possibility of increasing the risk of a clinical manifestation of a latent pre-existing malignancy can influence the decision about TRT use. Current recommendations are to exclude prostate cancer before initiating TRT in men over age 40 and to closely monitor men in the first year of testosterone replacement, followed by observation in subsequent years.
So to summarize, TRT is safe as long you are properly screened prior to TRT and monitored during TRT.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 7:10 pm to WeeWee
Shots worked for me great.
DONT listen to all the "scare-tactics"....total BS. Like WEED kills....lol
NOT 1 shread of actual scientific evidence connecting juice and death.
The amount he will be injecting is very very small. STOP perpetuating shite you don't know but only what the media spin tells you.
Do your Homework and frick Crossfit.
DONT listen to all the "scare-tactics"....total BS. Like WEED kills....lol
NOT 1 shread of actual scientific evidence connecting juice and death.
The amount he will be injecting is very very small. STOP perpetuating shite you don't know but only what the media spin tells you.
Do your Homework and frick Crossfit.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 7:12 pm to booger99
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Shots worked for me great.
DONT listen to all the "scare-tactics"....total BS. Like WEED kills....lol
NOT 1 shread of actual scientific evidence connecting juice and death.
The amount he will be injecting is very very small. STOP perpetuating shite you don't know but only what the media spin tells you.
Do your Homework and frick Crossfit.
I hope that wasn't meant for me because, I proved evidence against the link between TRT and prostate cancer
Posted on 2/18/15 at 7:20 pm to PT24-7
I've been on the shot for 6 or 7 yearS. It has ended up being a life time thing now. We tried forever to have another child with no luck. We ultimately stopped trying for other health related issues but I'm pretty sure we didn't get pregnant because of my test levels.
Tifwiw
Tifwiw
Posted on 2/18/15 at 7:25 pm to Skin
[quote] Message Posted by Skin injections will be most effective [/quote
This, I did the gel and had to go with injection's, gel wasn't able to get into my system as well.
This, I did the gel and had to go with injection's, gel wasn't able to get into my system as well.
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