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Singularity and what it means with regards to life elsewhere in the Universe
Posted on 2/4/15 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 2/4/15 at 3:55 pm
The singularity thread yesterday left a mark.
IF predictions of singularity in 30-50 years prove true then mankind will have created ASI in a few thousand years. The universe is billions of years old.
Considering the Fermi Paradox (Why haven't we heard from aliens) with the numbers above leads me to several ideas:
1- There are no other intelligent lifeforms in the universe
2 - Any intelligent civilizations are at roughly our same advancement level (working towards ASI)
3 - ASI will end our species and exist on a higher plane than we can observe (See #1).
4 - Universe big bang / big crunch goes in cycles with the rise and fall of ASI
5 - ASI / Singularity cannot be achieved.
Thoughts?
IF predictions of singularity in 30-50 years prove true then mankind will have created ASI in a few thousand years. The universe is billions of years old.
Considering the Fermi Paradox (Why haven't we heard from aliens) with the numbers above leads me to several ideas:
1- There are no other intelligent lifeforms in the universe
2 - Any intelligent civilizations are at roughly our same advancement level (working towards ASI)
3 - ASI will end our species and exist on a higher plane than we can observe (See #1).
4 - Universe big bang / big crunch goes in cycles with the rise and fall of ASI
5 - ASI / Singularity cannot be achieved.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 3:57 pm to weagle99
What if we are the first intelligent species to explore the universe? We are still hundreds of years away from being able to travel at the speed if light, if we ever will.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:00 pm to weagle99
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Considering the Fermi Paradox (Why haven't we heard from aliens) with the numbers above leads me to several ideas:
At best an inference.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:03 pm to J Murdah
Traveling at the speed of light is a stupid idea and it isn't fast enough. If we want to find another viable planet for the human race, wormholes are the only potential we have.
ETA or we could mine the asteroid belt past Mars for enough materials to create a ringworld.
ETA or we could mine the asteroid belt past Mars for enough materials to create a ringworld.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:04 pm to J Murdah
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We are still hundreds of years away from being able to travel at the speed if light, if we ever will.
Are we? if an ASI is all it is cracked up to be, able to self learn on an exponential scale, this could be solved within years of reaching that threshold.
It may take longer for us to build the vessel than for the ASI to figure out how.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:06 pm to J Murdah
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What if we are the first intelligent species to explore the universe?
I believe we are a mistake of nature. Maybe better put, an anomaly. Every existential/philosophical problem we have is because of this.
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We are still hundreds of years away from being able to travel at the speed if light, if we ever will.
You cannot travel the speed of light. It is impossible. The closer you get to the speed of light, your mass increases exponentially. Ultimately you would have infinite mass at the speed of light. In order to maintain and increase your speed you would need to offset your increased mass with increased force. To go the speed of light, you would need infinite force (impossible).
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:06 pm to TigerFanatic99
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It may take longer for us to build the vessel than for the ASI to figure out how.
The nanobots will assemble it in no time, from scratch.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:11 pm to Hester Carries
That isn't really true, but It would be impossible for someone to survive moving at the speed of light.
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:14 pm to CapitalCityDevil
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hat isn't really true, but It would be impossible for someone to survive moving at the speed of light.
Well unless you have some sort of mathematical reasoning, im going to say you are wrong.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:16 pm to Hester Carries
Well first of all light speed isn't infinite, and photons do not have infinite mass.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:17 pm to Hester Carries
I think all life is a mistake of nature. As old as the universe is. It's possible it has taken this long for matter to collect in the right conditions.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:18 pm to J Murdah
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We are still hundreds of years away from being able to travel at the speed if light, if we ever will.
Warp Speed Will Kill You
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Edelstein's work showed that a starship traveling at just 99 percent of the speed of light would get a radiation dose from hydrogen of 61 sieverts per second, when just one tenth of that number of sieverts would deliver a fatal dose for humans. And that's not even the 99.999998 percent of light-speed necessary to make the journey to the center of the Milky Way in 10 years
At the higher speed, the human crew of a starship would experience something like getting struck by the high-energy proton beam from the Large Hadron Collider particle accelerator at CERN in Geneva, Switzerland. On top of killing the crew, such powerful levels of energy would also likely destroy the starship electronics.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:21 pm to CapitalCityDevil
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Well first of all light speed isn't infinite, and photons do not have infinite mass.
Things like waves CAN travel the speed of light. And faster.
Physical objects cannot.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:23 pm to weagle99
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the Fermi Paradox
..is fun to think about, but is highly flawed/incomplete logic.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:25 pm to Hester Carries
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I believe we are a mistake of nature.
in other words you think we are unique.
its much more likely that there are 450,000,000,230 other species with similar or more advanced communications and thinking capacities as humans, with opposed thumbs, and opposed toes and 24 hands, just based on the sheer volume of stars.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:26 pm to weagle99
I think intelligent life greater than our own absolutely exists. The question is whether it can travel close enough to us, if we can actually perceive it, and if it has already passed over us and won't return. I personally think it has already passed over us or it won't come to us in our lifetimes. Our lifespan is such a small blip in the timeline of the universe that I doubt we would be present for such an event
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:28 pm to Hester Carries
(Nothing has ever been proven to travel faster than the speed of light; do not bring up the recent neutrino "discovery" it wasn't correct data.)
A photon is a physical particle with essentially 0 at rest mass, it acts like a wave, and moves at the speed of light. However, the laws of general relativity as we understand them show us that a moving photon essentially has a mass of all real numbers (this is not infinite mass).
I'm not hear to give a math lesson. But I am agreeing with you on the important point which is that human beings will never travel at the speed of light.
A photon is a physical particle with essentially 0 at rest mass, it acts like a wave, and moves at the speed of light. However, the laws of general relativity as we understand them show us that a moving photon essentially has a mass of all real numbers (this is not infinite mass).
I'm not hear to give a math lesson. But I am agreeing with you on the important point which is that human beings will never travel at the speed of light.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:30 pm to sassyLSU
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in other words you think we are unique.
its much more likely that there are 450,000,000,230 other species with similar or more advanced communications and thinking capacities as humans, with opposed thumbs, and opposed toes and 24 hands, just based on the sheer volume of stars.
Haha, no not "in other words". There may very well be other intelligent life out there. But i still think its a mistake. The very fact they we can use our brain to study our brain. We can measure and test the laws of the universe. We can mimic the laws of the universe (i.e. selective breeding). We can discover things that both dont really exist and are also ubiquitous (i.e. logical absolutes). That shite is definitely an outlier.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:34 pm to CapitalCityDevil
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A photon is a physical particle with essentially 0 at rest mass, it acts like a wave, and moves at the speed of light. However, the laws of general relativity as we understand them show us that a moving photon essentially has a mass of all real numbers (this is not infinite mass).
Ahh. I understand what you are saying.
I believe this is kind of touching on the differences between science and math. Math can state things unequivocally. Science cannot. On a chalkboard somewhere, it might say that humans would have infinite mass, but if ever it could be measured, you are saying that based on what we've seen with photons, humans would have a real number mass(although so large it could essentially be considered infinite)
Posted on 2/4/15 at 4:35 pm to weagle99
I'll take a variation of 5...
...and say that achieving the "singularity" is a lot more difficult than it is made to be. Humans have a major habit of promoting "it's just around the corner"-ism.
However, 1 is a unique, albeit unlikely possibility
I mean, someone has to be first and what's usually overlooked in these conversations in that the Universe is about 14 billion years old, while the conditions necessary to promote "life as we know it" have only been around for, say 10 or 11 billion years.
Well, it's accepted that the starmaking phase of the Universe will last about 100 trillion years. In other words, relatively speaking, the Universe is still a newborn.
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5 - ASI / Singularity cannot be achieved.
...and say that achieving the "singularity" is a lot more difficult than it is made to be. Humans have a major habit of promoting "it's just around the corner"-ism.
However, 1 is a unique, albeit unlikely possibility
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1- There are no other intelligent lifeforms in the universe
I mean, someone has to be first and what's usually overlooked in these conversations in that the Universe is about 14 billion years old, while the conditions necessary to promote "life as we know it" have only been around for, say 10 or 11 billion years.
Well, it's accepted that the starmaking phase of the Universe will last about 100 trillion years. In other words, relatively speaking, the Universe is still a newborn.
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