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Draft Prospects/Linebackers: Beasley vs McKinney vs Thompson

Posted on 2/4/15 at 10:15 am
Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 10:15 am
So now lets look at our prospects at the linebacker/pass rusher position. I think the only way we go linebacker in the first is if we already have picked up a guard and a corner in free agency. I picked the three guys who should be there when we pick at 13.



Victor "Vic" Beasley

Clemson / 6-2 / 235 lbs.



STRENGTHS: Beasley may possess the country's best first step. His burst off the ball frequently catches tackles off-balance and he's able to cross their face.

Has the flexibility to be able to duck their reach and turn the corner, showing excellent speed to close. Beasley complements his speed rush with a balanced and tight spin back to the inside and a surprisingly effective bull rush.

Beasley is certainly smaller than scouts would prefer but he is more powerful than he looks, sporting broad shoulders, long arms and well-developed upper body. He's able to sneak his hands under the tackle's reach and can walk unbalanced pass-blockers into the pocket.

Excellent pursuit speed, showing the fluidity to stalk unsuspecting ballcarriers from behind and the explosive closing burst that jar the ball loose. Beasley shows good awareness of the ball, ripping at it when he sees the opportunity and has seven career forced fumbles.

WEAKNESSES: Despite his natural ability as a pass rusher, Beasley does struggle against the run as he seems to lose track of the play at times and will take bad angles or even appear unmotivated when the play flows to the opposite side of the line, and when he takes on blockers too high he's easily swept out of the play.

He offers little in terms of ability to anchor or set the edge with power against the run, as he simply lacks the girth to hold position against tackles and even tight ends at times.

COMPARES TO: Von Miller, Denver Broncos: Like the 6-3, 246-pound Miller, Beasley does not possess the size and strength to set the edge consistently, but few are better off it on their way to the quarterback.



Benardrick McKinney

Miss State / 6-4 / 249 lbs.



STRENGTHS: Value lies with his versatility and raw athleticism. He lines up all over the field for the Bulldogs, taking snaps at middle linebacker, as well as rushing off either edge. His athleticism has been well documented, with McKinney reportedly clocking in the 4.5s and posting a 34-inch vertical jump at 245 pounds.

At his best with the ballcarrier in front of him, where he can use his physical demeanor and battle the big bodies, taking on blocks with active hands and long arms to control the point of attack.

He is a well-built and fluid athlete for his size, showing good lateral agility and very impressive acceleration to track down ballcarriers from behind. He has long arms and good hand-eye coordination to trip up ballcarriers that appear out of his reach and breaks down well in the open field to deliver strong, wrap-up tackles.

WEAKNESSES: Overly reliant on his speed when rushing the quarterback, showing limited hand technique to defeat blocks once engaged. This issue comes into play not only when rushing the passer but also against the run, where McKinney looks to slip past blockers, rather than showing the aggression and strength to truly stack and shed.

Not a sudden mover and lacks ideal range, causing him to struggle with cover responsibilities, and although he's a smart player, he can be late to recognize plays and ends up a step late to the action. Too often McKinney is forced to turn away from the quarterback and sprint to his coverage responsibility. With his back turned to the action, McKinney isn't in position to help should the quarterback scramble or dump off to another target.

OVERVIEW: McKinney bis an impressive athlete for a man his size, but while he's a stout run defender, he isn't as consistent in space. There is a lot to like about McKinney, but there are some concerns that his struggles against the pass will limit him to a two-down thumper role in the NFL.



Shaq Thompson

Washington / 6-2 / 231 lbs.



STRENGTHS: Thompson is an active, aggressive and instinctive defender with excellent agility. He reads the action quickly and slithers his way around would-be blockers to make plays all over the field, demonstrating excellent change-of-direction and closing speed.

Surprisingly effective in his punch to greet and discard offensive linemen, though his lack of ideal size and strength can is evident when blockers can get their hands on him. Very reliable open-field tackler who wraps his arms securely around ballcarriers. He arrives in a flash but isn't an explosive hitter (as his zero career forced fumbles can attest).

His vision and agility could make him an effective blitz threat and these traits stood out during Thompson's time at running back. Despite his inexperience at the position, Thompson shows natural elusiveness as well as the ability to set up his blocks. He has the speed to make the corner and shows good body control and balance to tightrope the sideline and keep charging ahead after absorbing contact.

Natural ball-skills. Articulate and mature.

WEAKNESSES: Looks more like a safety than a linebacker and for some teams will project there - a position he hasn't played since high school. Possesses a slim waist and narrow hips, making it unlikely that he'll be able to pack on significantly more muscle mass onto his frame without losing his quickness.

Can get swallowed up at the line of scrimmage and is forced to take risky angles, at times, to avoid blockers. Wasn't often asked to rush the quarterback at Washington and shows limited technique in this capacity.

Likewise, he relied upon is natural athleticism as a running back and would need some patience to develop the finer aspects of the position - frequently held the ball in the wrong arm and showed limited recognition in blitz pick-up.

COMPARES TO: DeAndre Levy, Detroit Lions - Like Levy, Thompson lacks the size and explosiveness scouts might prefer at linebacker. Fluidity and awareness in coverage at the linebacker position are more important in today's pass-heavy NFL than ever before, making Thompson a potential building block in a 4-3 alignment.



Which one would you rather?

I'm a little undecided on this one but I think I would rather McKinney because of his size and his ability in pass coverage. Could be a staple in our defense for years to come.

This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 10:17 am
Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 10:16 am to
More Info:

Beasley gave NFL evaluators further evidencein 2014 that he has to move to outside linebacker and isn't large enough to get any consideration as a defensive end outside of obvious passing situations. However, the senior is strong for his size, so once he moves to outside linebacker he should be a well-rounded player. Beasley clearly is fast and athletic enough to play linebacker. He has natural pass-rushing skills and is a terror in the backfield.

McKinney had 71 tackles, eight tackles for a loss, three sacks, one forced fumble and four passes broken up in 2014. One of those sacks came when he beat Texas A&M tackle Cedric Ogbuehi off the edge. McKinney was a big-time presence in the Bulldogs' defense and displayed the ability to be a three-down starter who can drop into pass coverage (Which We Need) or rush the quarterback.

Thompson totaled 81 tackles, two tackles for a loss, one sack, four passes broken up, one interception and three forced fumbles in 2014. He produced some clutch turnovers for the Huskies. Thompson showed his athleticism by contributing at running back with an average of averaged 7.5 yards per carry for 456 yards and two touchdowns. He produced some clutch turnovers for the Huskies. For the NFL, Thompson is a speedy sideline-to-sideline linebacker.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 10:19 am
Posted by WicKed WayZ
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 10:19 am to
McKinney all day. Could start from day 1 and develop more. All of his weaknesses are things that can develop from coaching. Plus he has a significant size advantage that's huge for 3-4 guys.

As big as he is he can learn to plug a gap with his size and not only that he is the most versatile
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 10:19 am to
Value lies with his versatility and raw athleticism. He lines up all over the field for the Bulldogs, taking snaps at middle linebacker, as well as rushing off either edge. His athleticism has been well documented, with McKinney reportedly clocking in the 4.5s and posting a 34-inch vertical jump at 245 pounds.


I'll take McKinney for 500 Alex.
Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 10:20 am to
quote:

McKinney all day. Could start from day 1 and develop more. All of his weaknesses are things that can develop from coaching. Plus he has a significant size advantage that's huge for 3-4 guys.

As big as he is he can learn to plug a gap with his size and not only that he is the most versatile



My sentiments exactly!
Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 10:24 am to
quote:

Value lies with his versatility and raw athleticism. He lines up all over the field for the Bulldogs, taking snaps at middle linebacker, as well as rushing off either edge. His athleticism has been well documented, with McKinney reportedly clocking in the 4.5s and posting a 34-inch vertical jump at 245 pounds.


I'll take McKinney for 500 Alex.


Hopefully he doesn't climb the draft boards where he will be there at 13. Right now he is ranked behind Shane Ray, Denzel Perryman, Eric Kendricks & Vic Beasley
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 10:25 am
Posted by mm2316
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:32 am to
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There is a lot to like about McKinney, but there are some concerns that his struggles against the pass will limit him to a two-down thumper role in the NFL.

I only watched 2 or 3 MSU games this year, so I haven't seen too much of McKinney, but if he's going to be another "thumper", then I'd pass.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 11:45 am to
He's not. He lined up all over the field for MSU. He reminds me of another Donta Hightower or Brandon Spikes. He's gonna be a stud. I really hope we draft him. Hawthorne and Lofton are getting older and Hawthorne just doesn't have a presence in the middle for the run game.


He's our best coverage LB, but he wouldn't start over McKinney. You see a guy who has such raw athleticism and actually has more than that and can play everywhere you take him.


Most people will see only his athleticism and pass on him because we have taken guys like that before like Tez Wilson. But this guy has proven he can play and will be a first rounder no mater what.
Posted by Laaz2750
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 12:34 pm to
As with the OL thread, I hate to make a judgment based on one guy's analysis, but McKinney seems like the guy to me.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 12:34 pm to
Beasley.

I like McKinney, but we have two MLB's with cash invested. Unless we cut/greatly reduce one.

Thompson does not fit this defense. Unless he plays some kind of safety/rover role
Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

I like McKinney, but we have two MLB's with cash invested. Unless we cut/greatly reduce one.


So put him on the outside right now and then move him inside when one of the others leaves or retires.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 1:11 pm to
McKinney. Would be very happy with the pick.
Posted by KindaRaw
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

McKinney. Would be very happy with the pick.

Posted by Eman5805
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 1:47 pm to
I lean more to McKinney and Thompson than Beasley.

Coverage linebackers are becoming more critical now. I love Thompson's raw speed and athleticism, but size is the other thing you can't teach. And McKinney is a great athlete in his own right.

When all things equal, bigger guy wins.

Plus, McKinney has experience as a signal caller. Dude would come in and immediately become a favorite player for Rob Ryan.
Posted by jamsmiley
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 2:26 pm to
if McKinney runs a legit 4.5 you definitely take him
Thompson sounds like what they want Ball to be
Posted by WicKed WayZ
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 2:30 pm to
But do we stick him at OLB or leave him in the middle? I would think middle.
Posted by mm2316
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

I like McKinney, but we have two MLB's with cash invested. Unless we cut/greatly reduce one.

I'd be really surprised if Hawthorne is on the team next year at his current salary.
Posted by jamsmiley
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 2:45 pm to
middle
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 5:27 pm to
quote:

He reminds me of another Donta Hightower or Brandon Spikes.


That's a good comparison for McKinney. He will be a good player.

I've said before that I think Shaq will be like Thomas Davis for the Carolina Panthers. It may not be overnight, and he may not be All Pro, but he could be a staple in the defense you build around.

I'd wouldn't be upset if we take McKinney or Shaq.
Posted by PurpleDrank18
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Posted on 2/4/15 at 5:39 pm to
I'd much rather take a LB over a CB in the first. I have my issues with Waynes, and as talented as he is, it's yet to be seen if Peters can keep it together mentally.

With that said I've been having a really tough time decideding between Shaq, McKinney and Perryman (I think you should add him to the list btw). I don't really want Beasley at 13. He's a great player but we have a player in his position already. Plus there's talented EDGE players to be taken later like Mauldin and Odighizuwa.

Anyway, I really like Shaq because of his versatility and athleticism, McKinney because if his size and toughness and Perryman for his instics. At this point it's possible Perryman falls to the second but I think that'll change closer to draft day. At this point I think I'm leaning towards Shaq. He's just a playmaker and could be our Lavonte. Tough though, I like all 3.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 6:39 pm
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