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Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:35 pm to Bleeding purple
Because he gave you a hat instead. Either he gives out a hat or answers the question. 'Ya can't have both! 
Keep the questions coming and you may get more hats than me. 
Keep the questions coming and you may get more hats than me. 
Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:39 pm to Bleeding purple
A bureaucrat proposes something, that is never authorized or implemented, and never occurred, and the government is collecting data?!?!
Just take the hat, brah.
Just take the hat, brah.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:51 pm to AlxTgr
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AlxTgr
I know how you like to troll and argue the other side, I hope this is one of those times. I strongly disagree with you on this one. The last thing we need this government doing is making a list of legal gun buyers/owners.
I find it hard to believe any gun trafficker would be at a gun show buying guns. There are plenty of guns out on the street, hell they gave thousands to them already.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:12 pm to AlxTgr
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You get a hat as well.
So you think that someone in DEA came up with the idea of recording all of the license plates at a gun show in order to help with drug investigations, and no other purpose whatsoever?
The reason it was not approved is because it is of no value in a drug investigation. The person who thought it up had other motivations on his or her mind. Fortunately , someone up the chain of command knew it was a dumb idea.
At a minimum, the proposal reveals the belief of the person making it that one is more likely to encounter a drug dealer at a gun show than at a McDonalds or at a gas station. There is no reason to believe that unless one is misinformed and inclined to believe that gun shows are centers of criminal activity.
This post was edited on 1/29/15 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:26 pm to Coach in Waiting
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So you think that someone in DEA came up with the idea of recording all of the license plates at a gun show in order to help with drug investigations, and no other purpose whatsoever?
This is exactly what I think.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:31 pm to Boats n Hose
quote:
This is exactly what I think.
Why would anybody believe that one is more likely to find drug dealers at a gun show than at the mall?
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:35 pm to Coach in Waiting
What better way to slap charges on someone running drugs, possibly felons, who you can't get drug charges to stick to than finding them potentially buying a firearm illegaly.
Obviously scanning god knows how many license plates at god knows how many gun shows to look for a handful of people would be a pretty inefficient use of resources and is kind of dumb when you think it through. And, wow, what do you know, they never did it.
Obviously scanning god knows how many license plates at god knows how many gun shows to look for a handful of people would be a pretty inefficient use of resources and is kind of dumb when you think it through. And, wow, what do you know, they never did it.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 11:49 pm to Boats n Hose
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What better way to slap charges on someone running drugs, possibly felons, who you can't get drug charges to stick to than finding them potentially buying a firearm illegaly.
Maybe go somewhere that you can find actual drug dealers and felons? There is no reason to believe that there is more criminal activity at a gun show than any other place. In fact, background checks are constantly being run on the participants buying firearms.
The fact that the proposal was not carried out just confirms how misguided it was. In fifteen years when the person who proposed it has moved up the chain of command, it may get approved.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 12:00 am to Coach in Waiting
I really commend the vigilance of fellow pro gun citizens, but it really gets carried overboard a lot
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:19 am to Bleeding purple
quote:Because it's not interesting or relevant.
Why did you avoid my repeated comparison data collection question?
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:22 am to offshoretrash
quote:Uh, no you really don't.
know how you like to troll and argue the other side
quote:ok?
I strongly disagree with you on this one.
quote:Great, but that's not going on.
The last thing we need this government doing is making a list of legal gun buyers/owners
quote:Ok.
I find it hard to believe any gun trafficker would be at a gun show buying guns
quote:Yeah, I'm sure those are being targeted.
There are plenty of guns out on the street, hell they gave thousands to them already.
Stay on topic dude.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:25 am to Coach in Waiting
quote:Good God dude. It's not about more. I don't think many of you are thinking this through. I hope none of you are any type of investigative role.
Maybe go somewhere that you can find actual drug dealers and felons? There is no reason to believe that there is more criminal activity at a gun show than any other place. In fact, background checks are constantly being run on the participants buying firearms.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:33 am to AlxTgr
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Good God dude. It's not about more.
It is only about more.
If there is no specific information that crime is occurring at a gun show, then the only reason to run license plates there is because of an underlying suspicion or belief that there is a better chance of catching a criminal there than somewhere else. That would be the only reason to do it. The only rationale behind this idea is a misguided(or worse) belief that gun shows are areas of criminal activity. There is no other justification.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:37 am to Coach in Waiting
Holy crap. 
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:49 am to Coach in Waiting
Did you read the part of the OP where it said it never actually happened? Was never approved, nor implemented?
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:50 am to Bleeding purple
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If this was CDC as asked above, it would only get used for public health concerns right?
When it came to the Ebola panic of 2014, most of the people opposing this activity seemed to a ok with a shitload of bans and trackings.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:52 am to bapple
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And hasn't it already been proven that most firearms used in crimes are Straw Purchases (having someone with a clean record get a gun for a felon)?
So, tracking people that are 'clean' going to gun shows is probably a great idea
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:53 am to Mung
quote:It should have though. Notice how everyone here complains about gun show prices and never buys? Uh-huh. It's nothing but criminals up in there. And drug lords.
Did you read the part of the OP where it said it never actually happened? Was never approved, nor implemented?
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:54 am to AlxTgr
quote:
Posted by Message
AlxTgr
DEA Considered Spying on Cars at Gun Shows
quote:
it unfortunately attracts a dark element as well. If you want to catch fish, you start by finding a good fishing hole.
Now that is a holy crap. You are giving out green hats and talking about the "dark element". The only difference between what you and I think is that you actually believe that a gun show is a good place to find criminal activity.
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