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re: How much difference will the flat seam baseball make?
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:21 pm to southeasttiger113
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:21 pm to southeasttiger113
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You played minor league baseball but you think that a warning track shot happens once every two games? Hmm. Happens closer to once every 5-10.
Seriously?
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:22 pm to southeasttiger113
And while we're at it, since you've played so much baseball, what percentage of balls hit would you say have the ideal backspin used by the ball manufacturers to compare flight distances?
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:25 pm to southeasttiger113
Holy shite. Did I not say I would make it basic for you?
Do you want to know why the ball actually goes further with smaller seams? It's not as basic as drag moving forward through the air. It's because the ball can spin faster. The faster the backspin, the more pressure there is under the ball. It's the same effect on a curveball and the topspin pushing it down.
I had a thread last year when the change was announced explaining the physics behind the numbers. I compared the forces to english you see on a soccerball and sidespin.
And yes. There's a ball hit to the warning track at least once every two games by teams like LSU. Do you not watch baseball since you apparently quit your major league career?
Do you want to know why the ball actually goes further with smaller seams? It's not as basic as drag moving forward through the air. It's because the ball can spin faster. The faster the backspin, the more pressure there is under the ball. It's the same effect on a curveball and the topspin pushing it down.
I had a thread last year when the change was announced explaining the physics behind the numbers. I compared the forces to english you see on a soccerball and sidespin.
And yes. There's a ball hit to the warning track at least once every two games by teams like LSU. Do you not watch baseball since you apparently quit your major league career?
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:26 pm to TigerBait1127
Did you even watch lsu baseball last year? The power hitting game was a joke
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:29 pm to southeasttiger113
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Did you even watch lsu baseball last year? T
Yes, I sat in left field for a good bit of games near the foul poll
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The power hitting game was a joke
I don't disagree with that. I think that's another reason this year will see an increase
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:29 pm to ell_13
Why do you keep acting like I'm denying that? I'm not. I fully understand that it's going to happen but we're not comparing soccer balls and baseballs. We're comparing two balls with a .015" difference and it's not going to noticeably change shite. You're massively exaggerating the effect that again, a hundredth of an inch is going to produce. It isn't anything
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:31 pm to southeasttiger113
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You're massively exaggerating the effect that again, a hundredth of an inch is going to produce. It isn't anything
TWSS
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:35 pm to southeasttiger113
You can't have it both ways. You can't press me for specifics and tell me I'm ignoring details and then say that the one detail that's changing isn't significant when the science and data says it does. Wtf?
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:38 pm to southeasttiger113
quote:It was something I used as an example to explain the physics. Something people understand and can visualize much better to explain what's going on in a similar situation. .
but we're not comparing soccer balls and baseballs.
You're really going out of your way to prove you don't know what you're talking about. Hell, I even used YOUR 5% number in my post explaining why 20 isn't so far fetched.
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:53 pm to ell_13
I understand your comparison but to even use a soccer ball to explain a .015" difference on two identical balls isn't an effective one. And for you to say that you're a physicist and act like the difference is going to be as simple as adding 20 feet to every fly ball is a joke. I've been trying to explain that it's not that simple and that people are setting themselves up for disappointment if they expect that to be the case. Baseball is a really, really unpredictable game with so many variables that changing something as small as seam height isn't going to be enough to overcome the dozens of other things that happen during the process of a ball leaving the pitchers hand to hitting the bat to leaving the stadium. Do you disagree with what I just said? Does a .015" difference in seam height make such an impact that it overcomes exit speed, rotation, trajectory, and all of the other major components that go into hitting a home run? If you spent a month writing out a formula for it, I'm just saying that I'd bet my life that the changing the seam height wouldn't change the final distance of more than 10 balls last year into home runs. End of story, you're wearing rose colored glasses if you disagree
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:53 pm to ell_13
Some students who are struggling to keep up in ell's Physics 101 class may want to drop it if they are struggling this early in the semester.
Take the "W" letter grade and move on to something less strenuous.
Take the "W" letter grade and move on to something less strenuous.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:56 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Less break, more fly.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:56 pm to southeasttiger113
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Does a .015" difference in seam height make such an impact that it overcomes exit speed, rotation, trajectory, and all of the other major components that go into hitting a home run?
He already tried to explain this to you.
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.015"
Thought it was .017
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:58 pm to TigerBait1127
And I agreed that it does, but not nearly as much as he and all of the other sunshine pumpers on this board are hoping for. Don't take a snippet of a full paragraph and use it to twist my words dumbass
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:00 pm to southeasttiger113
quote:Link to where I made this claim please. Jesus. Is this how you're going to argue now? Because you're making it pointless for me to say anything else.
act like the difference is going to be as simple as adding 20 feet to every fly ball
quote:You're making a mistake here. You're talking about unpredictability of this year (which is true) and applying it to last year's results... which we can quantify in some way. A 350+ ft hit that stays in the park was hit pretty damn well whether it leaves or not. It obviously had decent spin and trajectory leaving the bat. All things the same and changing the seam height, WOULD add enough distance to send 20 or so balls out of the park.
I'm just saying that I'd bet my life that the changing the seam height wouldn't change the final distance of more than 10 balls last year into home runs. End of story, you're wearing rose colored glasses if you disagree
Now if you want to talk about this year, I already addressed that there's a ton that goes into a homerun and agreed with you. But let's not pretend that it won't possibly have the effect people are talking about. And I also explained why people were associating PM's 60+ numbers to the change in the ball.
Anything else, John Rocker?
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:01 pm to southeasttiger113
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Don't take a snippet of a full paragraph and use it to twist my words dumbass
How did I twist your words? I quoted exactly what you said.
You're putting words into other people's mouths and creating false arguments; yet, I'm the one twisting words
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:06 pm to ell_13
Jesus Christ you're such a typical TD dumbass. You VERY CLEARLY said that every ball that hit the warning track last year would've been a home run because of the 20 foot addition. And I'm saying that in some cases the new balls might add only 6 feet to a big hit to the track, which would still be a wall banger or a warning track out. It's not hard to understand. You keep using all of these ideal theoretical examples and just because a ball has good trajectory and spin to the warning track doesn't make it ideal or perfect every time
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:08 pm to southeasttiger113
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You VERY CLEARLY said that every ball that hit the warning track last year would've been a home run because of the 20 foot addition.
Boy, you must have reading comprehension issues too.
I "Clearly" gave an example of a 350 foot HR going 367 with a 5% increase and said that we could ASSUME THAT ONLY BALLS HIT TO THE TRACK BETWEEN THE GAPS would possibly go over. THEN... I only took 2/3rds of that value.
But yeah... "every fly ball"
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:10 pm to southeasttiger113
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Jesus Christ you're such a typical TD dumbass.
Are you 12?
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You VERY CLEARLY said that every ball that hit the warning track last year would've been a home run because of the 20 foot addition.
Actually, he didn't say that. He said:
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A typical warning track is 15ft. A 350 ft hit/out that doesn't leave the park increased by 5% will go 367. Holy fricking shite 17 feet. So that means that any ball that touched the warning track in between the gaps last year, theoretically, would have left the park. This doesn't take into account ball that landed deep on the track closer down the lines.
Words are important. He then further diminished that # by taking 2/3s of them:
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So how do we come to a number for last year of balls to the track without going through every piece of film? Can we assume it happened once every 2 games? That seems kind of low, but okay. That would lead us to the number I mentioned earlier... 30! OMG!!! Now, all I'm saying is that 2/3 of that number is a good probability.
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 1/28/15 at 4:10 pm to southeasttiger113
The warning track is 15 feet wide, even if the ball does add what I think is a ridiculous 20 feet to every hit, then only 25% of warning track shots would leave the stadium. If one happens every 2 games, which I also think is a high estimate, then that's a whopping 7.5 extra home runs last year, which falls squarely in my 5-10% estimate. That's as simply as I can break it down for you
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