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re: is hiphop or rap really music?
Posted on 1/26/15 at 12:43 pm to The Dudes Rug
Posted on 1/26/15 at 12:43 pm to The Dudes Rug
Definitely is.
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Posted on 1/26/15 at 1:03 pm to Kayhill Brown
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It's definitely not automatically harder on guitar. It's a lot easier to play power chords than to make a great electronic piece or beat. Just as it's a lot easier to make a bad beat than play a complicated guitar piece. But it's all making music.
Sorry you're emotionally invested and want this to be true, but it's not. It takes time to get to a level to play a power chord correctly. It really is pretty much pushing a button.Now sampling a sound and putting it on a control device involves a little more effort, but not much more. I don't dislike all music that incorporates electronics. I actually think it can augment good music and make great soundscapes.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 1:25 pm to Kayhill Brown
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It's hilarious to me that people think it's harder to play some power chords than it is to make an album like My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. But just because they're playing a guitar...it's music
Exactly. The overwhelming majority of people could learn to play and write rock and traditional music way before classic beats by good producers like Kanye.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 2:04 pm to Kashmir
Yes. The definition of music and art in general is quite broad. Think about this quote by Frank Zappa in reference to this subject.
Pretty much anything is art simply by being presented as such. Music is auditory art(eta:that isn't simply unadorned spoken word). Whether it is good or bad is a separate matter.
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The most important thing in art is The Frame. For painting: literally; for other arts: figuratively-- because, without this humble appliance, you can't know where The Art stops and The Real World begins. You have to put a 'box' around it because otherwise, what is that shite on the wall?
Pretty much anything is art simply by being presented as such. Music is auditory art(eta:that isn't simply unadorned spoken word). Whether it is good or bad is a separate matter.
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 1/26/15 at 2:14 pm to Peazey
Posted on 1/26/15 at 2:23 pm to Kashmir
It's music, those who don't like it will often times find a way to discredit it. I'm not a fan, but it speaks to some people.
As long as it speaks to someone and causes or prevokes emotion or thought, it is alive.
That's what art is. A big question mark, and people's reactions are the answer.
As long as it speaks to someone and causes or prevokes emotion or thought, it is alive.
That's what art is. A big question mark, and people's reactions are the answer.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 3:03 pm to SEClint
quote:Meh, there's lots of music I can't stand. It's still music even though it's horrible. Rap just doesn't seem musical to me.
It's music, those who don't like it will often times find a way to discredit it
Posted on 1/26/15 at 3:13 pm to AlxTgr
it's all about the beats and/or the samples used
listen to pete rock, and then check out mark farina's take on his stuff
madlib and all his projects. spend a day with this guy and tell me it isn't music
the freestyles, screw and the screwed up click, wu-tang, RZA, etc. all that shite is absolutely music.
don't care for most of the stuff you'll hear on the local 'rap' station. also don't care for country but im not dull enough to say it isn't music.
listen to pete rock, and then check out mark farina's take on his stuff
madlib and all his projects. spend a day with this guy and tell me it isn't music
the freestyles, screw and the screwed up click, wu-tang, RZA, etc. all that shite is absolutely music.
don't care for most of the stuff you'll hear on the local 'rap' station. also don't care for country but im not dull enough to say it isn't music.
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 1/26/15 at 3:15 pm to BigOrangeBri
I'm not THAT emotionally invested (I actually play non-electronic music). I'm just annoyed because what you're saying isn't true and it's disparaging not only a genre of music, but a medium. A medium that takes a lot talent, practice, and creativity to perfect.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 3:22 pm to S
quote:People who don't think he is one of the greatest haven't actually sat down and given him a shot. He's ridiculously talented.
madlib and all his projects. spend a day with this guy and tell me it isn't music
Posted on 1/26/15 at 3:24 pm to Kashmir
Hey Kashmir... have you met Gatorprincess? You guys should hook up and go grab some coffee or something.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 3:34 pm to CaptainPanic
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madlib and all his projects. spend a day with this guy and tell me it isn't music
People who don't think he is one of the greatest haven't actually sat down and given him a shot. He's ridiculously talented.
I would love to spend some time in the bomb shelter w him.
https://www.waxpoetics.com/features/articles/astral-traveler/
https://pitchfork.com/features/articles/9478-searching-for-tomorrow-the-story-of-madlib-and-dooms-madvillainy/
Posted on 1/26/15 at 3:45 pm to Kayhill Brown
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It's hilarious to me that people think it's harder to play some power chords than it is to make an album like My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. But just because they're playing a guitar...it's music
I agree 100%. Just because somebody makes music with a medium other than your traditional instruments doesn't make it "not music." It's the same as comparing somebody playing a few power chords (like you said) to soembody playing something very complex on a guitar. They are both "music." Some prefer one or the other. You'd have to be pretty full of yourself to believe you are some authority on what constitutes something as "music."
Posted on 1/26/15 at 3:50 pm to BigOrangeBri
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It's really the difference between pushing a button that instantly produces a lasagna or making a lasagna from scratch. One could call themselves a cook, the other could not
Oh, so since you brought up cooking, I guess all modern day chef's don't really know how to 'cook" because they don't know the art of building a proper fire and cooking without gas / electricity, which takes a lot more skill than simply pressing a button or turning a knob to get the proper temperature. Give me a break... Some instruments are harder to learn than others. That doesn't mean anything when it comes to the quality of the end product. You could be a guitar virtuoso and still just write music that people consider "noise."
You are talking about the process of creating music (cooking) instead of music (food) itself, which is a completely different subject.
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:10 pm to Kayhill Brown
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I'm not THAT emotionally invested (I actually play non-electronic music). I'm just annoyed because what you're saying isn't true and it's disparaging not only a genre of music, but a medium. A medium that takes a lot talent, practice, and creativity to perfect.
Sorry. Agree to disagree. I stated I think electronic music has a place and can be good.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:26 pm to CaptainPanic
GOAT imo
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:29 pm to BigOrangeBri
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Sorry. Agree to disagree. I stated I think electronic music has a place and can be good.
Think about it some more. Electronic artists can be pretty similar to classical composers, except they have the ability to cut out the musicians. There really isn't any real difference between the two in terms of role. The product can be good. It can be bad, depending on the skill of the artist. But the roles are exactly the same.
Would you say that Mozart or Beethoven had less talent than the guy who was in lead chair for the violin section playing their music?
Don't take this as me saying that modern day electronic artists are as talented as Mozart and Beethoven. That's irrelevent and would be missing my point entirely. It's just that you seem to think that a person has to actually play their own music with an instrument to be as talented. At least that seems to be your argument. That's an entirely modern expectation. Things haven't been like that very long.
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:39 pm to Kashmir
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is hiphop or rap really music?
yes, it has melody and soul whether you like it or not.
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are there any outstanding musicians/singers from this genre of "music?"
depends on your opinion.
This thread is awful.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:39 pm to S
My Top 10
1. Madlib
2. DJ Premier
3. J Dilla
4. Pete Rock
5. RZA
6. Dr. Dre
7. MF DOOM
8. DJ Shadow
9. Q-Tip
10. Kanye
Honorable Mentions: Large Professor & Marley Marl
1. Madlib
2. DJ Premier
3. J Dilla
4. Pete Rock
5. RZA
6. Dr. Dre
7. MF DOOM
8. DJ Shadow
9. Q-Tip
10. Kanye
Honorable Mentions: Large Professor & Marley Marl
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 4:43 pm
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