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re: Coaching basketball 8 year olds
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:59 am to VABuckeye
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:59 am to VABuckeye
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It's not about winning. It's about teaching sportsmanship and fundamentals at that age.
Thisis the dumbest thing I have ever heard about youth sports - and I hear it all of the time.
It is about winning. It is also about fundamentals and sportsmanship, but it is also about winning.
Why keep score?
Why have uniforms?
Why have a ref and time keeper?
Why do anything?
The kids want to win. They practice so they can get better together and win together. They care. Why do parents/coaches say it doesn't matter? It matters.
Now, how much does it matter? Does it matter enough to scream at the kid? No. Does it matter enough to make them feel bad? No. Does it matter enough to make it not fun? No.
But, it matters enough to not let A-holes like those other coaches rob YOUR kids of a hard fought victory. It matters. If you think it doesn't matter, then let your kids play outside and leave them alone.
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Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:01 am to BigEdLSU
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Sounds like my son. Oh someone misses it? Maybe I should just stand still and watch the play develop. A true coach on the court
That's when you pull out the dive for the ball drill. Get two lines, one on each side of the coach. Roll the ball out and have the two kids from the two lines race to be the first to dive for the ball. They'll become tomahawk missiles on the court.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:02 am to TROLA
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I would have been very clear and respectful.. The game has 2 seconds left and we will not step on the court unless the bucket counts and change of possession has occurred.. I've had similar situations and have taken a team off the court if a redo is to be allowed. I don't mind losing and can accept mistakes but not at the behest of bully coaches, who influence refs at that age
All of this. Should never have been a "redo."
Those coaches are jerks. They knew that the odds would go way in their favor. You played a entire game and only had like 12 points. What are the chances of you scoring again with 4 seconds or whatever?
Their solution was completely unfair. Put 2 seconds on the clock and let THEM score. That is really, really bad sportsmanship on their part.
You know what your kids were taught (not your fault - you were in a bad spot)? Your kids were taught that you can bully people and get your way and if you roll over, then you get screwed. That is what they were taught and it was the wrong lesson for them.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:02 am to Mr. Wayne
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Was I wrong to tell the coaches their behavior was bad and that they should feel bad?
No, that is ridiculous.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:08 am to TROLA
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This is where you keep getting trapped, there is no compromising in your situation. End of game, you never allow a redo.. It would be one thing if the ref noticed the situation and for some reason couldnt stop play. Rightly or wrongly, they allowed play to commence and continue without notice of a perceived clock issue
This is the correct answer. Your team earned a win. Honor them. They won fairly and honestly.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:56 am to LSUballs
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the ADD poster boy
Yeah I have 2-3 of those.
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my 2nd best player has yet to step on the floor during a game because she gets "scayud" come tip off and cries on the bench the whole game
I wish I had a girl on my team. I've seen them play and they at least listen to their coaches
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Ill prepared would be my guess.
I have gotten ill while trying to prepare them.
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Pound Tex Winters Triangle offense philosophy into their heads
I have just broken them from running directly to our point guard as soon as he crosses half court. They were playing better defense than the other team.
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make them run suicides to the T-rex pukes.
He weighs 26 pounds. I legitimatley believe he might die if he throws up.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 11:03 am to AlaTiger
Thank you! Winning is a lot more fun than losing. Telling kids it's all about fun had my 9 come out thinking they were there to just wrestle and talk about some stupid shite called minecraft the entire practice. I asked who wanted to play hard, get better, and have fun playing basketball and they all said yes. Play in your neighborhood if you don't want to try.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 11:06 am to AlaTiger
That's honestly the best explination I've seen or heard for this situation.
Best tip for practice goes to the tomahawk missile drill guy. I might have them do that the entire hour of our next practice.
Best tip for practice goes to the tomahawk missile drill guy. I might have them do that the entire hour of our next practice.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 11:08 am to Mr. Wayne
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Thank you! Winning is a lot more fun than losing. Telling kids it's all about fun had my 9 come out thinking they were there to just wrestle and talk about some stupid shite called minecraft the entire practice. I asked who wanted to play hard, get better, and have fun playing basketball and they all said yes. Play in your neighborhood if you don't want to try.
Parents have it wrong when they act like it doesn't matter if you win. What matters most is trying and fighting together. When it is over, it is over and you let it go. You are a good sport and you congratulate the other team. But, without a goal of winning, you never become a team. You never learn teamwork and fighting hard and playing together.
All of the the "it doesn't matter if you win, but only if you have fun" garbage from the past 30 years breeds selfish, "all about me" athletes by their teen years. They never understand what it means to fight together with your brothers in the arena and they end up wanting to be the "star" because that is more fun.
Aiming to win as a team, taught right, is very important for kids.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 11:08 am to Mr. Wayne
Another drill is to have a coach hold the ball slightly above his head with one hand. Two kids race to the coach, knock the ball down, and retrieve. Kids love that shite.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 11:18 am to Mr. Wayne
I've got one kid that only plays D. Both end of the court he's gaurding the shite out of his man. I can't break him of it. At least he's good at it. Posted on 1/23/15 at 11:18 am to AlaTiger
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What matters most is trying and fighting together. When it is over, it is over and you let it go.
First thing I told them was that each of them playing as hard as they could was what playing sports is all about. I told them if they tried their hardest each of them would get better every week and we would have a chance to win some games. My worst player took it to heart and is now starting. He still can't shoot to save his life, but he sets picks like a monster, never loses sight of his man, and fights for rebounds. I'm just hoping last nights game still showed them that hard work pays off. If they lose confidence we end up losing 16-4.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 11:32 am to AlaTiger
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Thisis the dumbest thing I have ever heard about youth sports - and I hear it all of the time.
It is about winning. It is also about fundamentals and sportsmanship, but it is also about winning.
Why keep score?
Why have uniforms?
Why have a ref and time keeper?
Why do anything?
The kids want to win. They practice so they can get better together and win together. They care. Why do parents/coaches say it doesn't matter? It matters.
Now, how much does it matter? Does it matter enough to scream at the kid? No. Does it matter enough to make them feel bad? No. Does it matter enough to make it not fun? No.
But, it matters enough to not let A-holes like those other coaches rob YOUR kids of a hard fought victory. It matters. If you think it doesn't matter, then let your kids play outside and leave them alone.
I coach basketball. I've coached everything from house league to CYO ball to travel league to elite AAU teams and Showcase teams with kids trying to get college scholarships to play basketball.
A youth league coach has ONE function. Teach them a foundation to build their game on for the future. Kids at that age put a win or loss behind them by the time they get in the car to go home or get ice cream or whatever they do when they leave. It's their parents and coaches who create the issue by telling them things like "the refs cheated" or "the other teams coach is an arse". There's a way to deliver a message without stooping to a level like this.
Do they want to win? Of course they do but in the grand scheme of things a coach can teach an 8 year old youth team winning is well down the list of things that really matter.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 11:40 am to VABuckeye
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A youth league coach has ONE function. Teach them a foundation to build their game on for the future.
That is actually bull crap and it is part of what is wrong with youth sports. Elementary aged sports is not some kind of farm system for your AAU leagues. Those kids are out there to play NOW and it should be fun NOW. Most of these kids will NEVER play high school basketball. Of course you teach fundamentals and the basics of the game. What do you think coaches are doing in practice? You start small and keep building and everyone gets better.
But, if winning together isn't a goal then you are completely missing the point of sports in general. It is not just about getting them ready for when you can coach them later in games that matter to you. It should matter to the kids early on.
Everyone is so afraid of the over-the-top competitive coach who takes it too far that we have lost the middle ground where you treat people decent, have fun, teach the game, and still work hard together to try and win as a team.
I tell my kids that my goal for them is that they learn to love the game and that they are all able to play pick up basketball recreationally when they get older. If any of them want to take it further, they'll have the foundation to do so. But, for now, we are a team and we will act like one and win or lose fighting for each other. The kids eat it up and love it.
Why do you want youth sports to be a farm system for some kind of goal that 90% of these kids will likely never attain?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 11:57 am to LSUballs
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I've got one kid that only plays D. Both end of the court he's gaurding the shite out of his man. I can't break him of it. At least he's good at it.
You sure you aren't my assisstant? I have to yell at one of mine every time we get the ball. Everyone is down the courst and my point is setting up the play. My All-league defender is still on the other side of the court refusing to let his opponent by him to get back on D.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 11:59 am to Mr. Wayne
You seem like a cool guy and you're giving time to these kids
I'll give you a
I'll give you a
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:03 pm to VABuckeye
quote:Agreed. Youth basketball is about teaching the kids how to play correctly.
I coach basketball. I've coached everything from house league to CYO ball to travel league to elite AAU teams and Showcase teams with kids trying to get college scholarships to play basketball.
A youth league coach has ONE function. Teach them a foundation to build their game on for the future. Kids at that age put a win or loss behind them by the time they get in the car to go home or get ice cream or whatever they do when they leave. It's their parents and coaches who create the issue by telling them things like "the refs cheated" or "the other teams coach is an arse". There's a way to deliver a message without stooping to a level like this.
Do they want to win? Of course they do but in the grand scheme of things a coach can teach an 8 year old youth team winning is well down the list of things that really matter.
That will probably lose you some games that you could have won if you just told them to get the ball to the best player or shooter every time down the court.
Of course you want the kids to try to win the game... but at that age, it's about how they are playing more than what the score is.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:08 pm to Mr. Wayne
Need a ringer in greater br? My son wants to play/practice more than 1-2 times a week.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:08 pm to VABuckeye
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A youth league coach has ONE function. Teach them a foundation to build their game on for the future. Kids at that age put a win or loss behind them by the time they get in the car to go home or get ice cream or whatever they do when they leave. It's their parents and coaches who create the issue by telling them things like "the refs cheated" or "the other teams coach is an arse". There's a way to deliver a message without stooping to a level like this.
I respect your opinion being a coach on so many levels, but still think this is bullshite IMO. My kids went from dog piling to crying in a matter of 5 minutes. Every one of them had the sad kid look directed right at me asking me why they didn't win when they knew they scored more points. It was a bad choice of words to say the coaches cried until the ref cheated and gave them their way. We play Saturday and I will tell them I checked the rules and they officialy won the game based on the rules every one in the league is supposed to follow. Their biggest issue is confidence and they are still talking about getting drummed 18-4 in their last game. It never fails that one of them brings up the last win as a way of saying "we aren't that bad". I would have complemented the hell out of them had they missed the last shot. I wasn't ready to explain another team getting the ref to change the rules taking a win away from them.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 12:09 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Of course you want the kids to try to win the game ... but at that age, it's about how they are playing more than what the score is.
This is a good balance. Winning or losing is not a big deal in the vast scheme of things. I just don't like the talk that I hear constantly that says winning doesn't matter at all and all that matter is having fun.
Trying to win is part of having fun. It has its place and kids love it. If you aren't even trying to win but are just running drills out there, then why even play.
Yes, it should be in balance. I guess that I have have just heard so much "winning doesn't matter at all" talk, especially in relation to basketball, that I try to advocate for the fun of a team of kids actually having a goal together and letting that drive them a bit in getting better and working on their skills. I don't want them just thinking that what they are doing doesn't matter now but will when they are playing high school basketball. Most will never get there.
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