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Kevin Steele's Defenses At Clemson (stats)
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:40 pm
I am leaving out his 2007 stint as Alabama's DC because that is clearly Saban's baby. At LSU, he will have 100% control of the defense so lets look at his numbers when he had a similar role at Clemson. Also, this is more recent, so it is the best we've got to go on.
*TOP is important for a defense as it keeps them off the field, so I edited and included that.*
National Rankings per NCAA's statistics database:
2009 (TOP on offense was #105):
#25 Scoring Defense
#20 Total Defense
#7 Pass Defense
#21 Pass Efficiency Defense
#67 Rushing Defense
#12 Tackles for a Loss
#11 Turnovers Gained
#64 3rd Down Defense
#114 Red Zone Defense
2010 (TOP on offense was #82):
#13 Scoring Defense
#19 Total Defense
#22 Pass Defense
#27 Pass Efficiency Defense
#28 Rushing Defense
#10 Tackles for a Loss
#72 Turnovers Gained
#49 3rd Down Defense
#98 Red Zone Defense
2011 (TOP on offense was #107):
#81 Scoring Defense
#71 Total Defense
#50 Pass Defense
#74 Pass Efficiency Defense
#83 Rushing Defense
#86 Tackles for a Loss
#49 Turnovers Gained
#73 3rd Down Defense
#83 Red Zone Defense
He had a mediocre year, improved in year 2 to have good defense, and then one horrible, disaster year. The thing that scares me the most though is that Red Zone Defense and 3rd down defense is always really bad.
This was not with chopped liver talent. Clemson has talent and they play in a weak conference.
Take the numbers for what you will. Just wanted to share so people can be more informed about this hire.
*TOP is important for a defense as it keeps them off the field, so I edited and included that.*
National Rankings per NCAA's statistics database:
2009 (TOP on offense was #105):
#25 Scoring Defense
#20 Total Defense
#7 Pass Defense
#21 Pass Efficiency Defense
#67 Rushing Defense
#12 Tackles for a Loss
#11 Turnovers Gained
#64 3rd Down Defense
#114 Red Zone Defense
2010 (TOP on offense was #82):
#13 Scoring Defense
#19 Total Defense
#22 Pass Defense
#27 Pass Efficiency Defense
#28 Rushing Defense
#10 Tackles for a Loss
#72 Turnovers Gained
#49 3rd Down Defense
#98 Red Zone Defense
2011 (TOP on offense was #107):
#81 Scoring Defense
#71 Total Defense
#50 Pass Defense
#74 Pass Efficiency Defense
#83 Rushing Defense
#86 Tackles for a Loss
#49 Turnovers Gained
#73 3rd Down Defense
#83 Red Zone Defense
He had a mediocre year, improved in year 2 to have good defense, and then one horrible, disaster year. The thing that scares me the most though is that Red Zone Defense and 3rd down defense is always really bad.
This was not with chopped liver talent. Clemson has talent and they play in a weak conference.
Take the numbers for what you will. Just wanted to share so people can be more informed about this hire.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:41 pm to TheCaterpillar
Seen it … noted. Now get over it.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:42 pm to TheCaterpillar
We get it, you don't like it.
That ship has sailed. Learn to approach life a mature man.
That ship has sailed. Learn to approach life a mature man.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:42 pm to TheCaterpillar
If anyone has time, I'd love to see a yards and points per minute stat. We keep hearing about LSU's TOP offense helping out a defense. I'm wondering if it can be seen in the stats.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:43 pm to FemaleTiger
quote:
Seen it … noted. Now get over it.
You can frick off because I'm not getting over it. "Getting over it" is how we drift back to permanent mediocrity. Demanding excellence as a fan base can't hurt our program.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:43 pm to Meauxjeaux
quote:
We get it, you don't like it.
That ship has sailed. Learn to approach life a mature man.
Just sharing stats man.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:43 pm to TheCaterpillar
It's a lousy hire. Obviously the only thing Miles cares about is who he has coached with and under not the results.
John Quincy Adams worked for his dad John Adams. But that didn't mean he followed in his footsteps as a great President. He was actually pretty mediocre to bad. Bobby Knights son learned from him. But he still sucked.
Horrible hire. No two ways about it.
John Quincy Adams worked for his dad John Adams. But that didn't mean he followed in his footsteps as a great President. He was actually pretty mediocre to bad. Bobby Knights son learned from him. But he still sucked.
Horrible hire. No two ways about it.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:45 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
Demanding excellence as a fan base can't hurt our program.
Right. Recruits dont see the empty seats nor read td
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:45 pm to PacLSU
quote:
If anyone has time, I'd love to see a yards and points per minute stat. We keep hearing about LSU's TOP offense helping out a defense. I'm wondering if it can be seen in the stats.
Great point and I think that hurt him for sure.
Here are their TOP:
2009: #105
2010: #82
2011: #107
I definitely think he will be better at LSU for a lot of reasons, including this. Still could have done better.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:46 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
You can frick off because I'm not getting over it. "Getting over it" is how we drift back to permanent mediocrity. Demanding excellence as a fan base can't hurt our program
This is exactly the point. Major fail on Miles, Alleva, TAF and Board of Trustees. But hey let's keep paying that clown of women's basketball coach 750K.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:47 pm to TigerRagAndrew
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Right. Recruits dont see the empty seats nor read td
I never said anything about not going to games. That is just dumb. I will never stop going to games or sell my tickets.
I am not worried about the 2 recruits per year that randomly read TD.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:47 pm to TheCaterpillar
Those first two years were better than just mediocre IMO. The red zone and 3rd down numbers are a concern though.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:48 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
You can frick off because I'm not getting over it. "Getting over it" is how we drift back to permanent mediocrity. Demanding excellence as a fan base can't hurt our program.
Your sandy vag attitude about it has never and will never make any tiny difference to the LSU program. Get over it.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:48 pm to TheCaterpillar
I would like to know who his position coaches were at Clemson during his time there and were they any good.
Because at most schools DCs don't get to pick their assistants. You kind of go with what you are dealt. If you have shitty position coaches, your defense is gonna be shite too.
I doubt he had as good of position coaches as Orgeron and Raymond while at Clemson, but who knows?
I was just wondering if any Clemson fans could shed some light on his DB coach or DL coach while there.
Because at most schools DCs don't get to pick their assistants. You kind of go with what you are dealt. If you have shitty position coaches, your defense is gonna be shite too.
I doubt he had as good of position coaches as Orgeron and Raymond while at Clemson, but who knows?
I was just wondering if any Clemson fans could shed some light on his DB coach or DL coach while there.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:50 pm to panterica
quote:
Your sandy vag attitude about it has never and will never make any tiny difference to the LSU program. Get over it.
You're right man, lets just forget about. Who really cares anyway? Lets just be happy we have a football team.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:51 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
"Getting over it" is how we drift back to permanent mediocrity. Demanding excellence as a fan base can't hurt our program.
So what's the next step in your plan to "demand excellence"?
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:51 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
You can frick off because I'm not getting over it. "Getting over it" is how we drift back to permanent mediocrity. Demanding excellence as a fan base can't hurt our program.
What a tool. Hope we lose you as a fan forever. Go bandwagon on someone else's team.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:52 pm to TheCaterpillar
when you throw stats out there it ruins the pumpers argument of him only having 1 bad year (or only 1 bad game according to some)so they get upset.
The fact is this guy has been fired or demoted pretty much every time he's been given a shred of responsibility. But hey I'm sure this time will turn out differently
The fact is this guy has been fired or demoted pretty much every time he's been given a shred of responsibility. But hey I'm sure this time will turn out differently
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:52 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
At LSU, he will have 100% control of the defense so lets look at his numbers when he had a similar role at Clemson.
Coach O will be heavily involved in game planning, as will Raymond.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:52 pm to TheCaterpillar
What is the redzone defense based on? Is it TD% or just scoring%?
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