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Whiplash Discussion - Obv Spoilers
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:32 pm
We haven't had a thread on Whiplash since November, I've searched.
That was about seeing it. Now people have seen it, let's talk about the movie.
I just want to talk about the ending...
Did Miles Teller's character seal his fate as the next Casey (Fletcher's student who committed suicide?), or did they have a moment where they knew music was pushed to the next level, like they talked about in the bar?
That was about seeing it. Now people have seen it, let's talk about the movie.
I just want to talk about the ending...
Did Miles Teller's character seal his fate as the next Casey (Fletcher's student who committed suicide?), or did they have a moment where they knew music was pushed to the next level, like they talked about in the bar?
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:39 pm to Pectus
Chazelle said Andrew's future was dark and that he envisioned Andrew killing himself at an early age.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:50 pm to jackwoods4
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Chazelle said Andrew's future was dark and that he envisioned Andrew killing himself at an early age.
Interesting! Well, hopefully he/they made great music together!
and holy crap at this line in the movie:
"You think I'm stupid? I know it was you."
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:46 pm to jackwoods4
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Chazelle said Andrew's future was dark and that he envisioned Andrew killing himself at an early age.
I didn't pick that up. He obviously has some anger issues and is going to struggle juggling his personal and professional life, but he was better off at the end of the film than he was in the beginning.
The only real problem I had with the movie is that I don't think Simmons's character would have sacrificed his and the rest of the band's reputations to frick over Teller's character.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:41 pm to THRILLHO
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The only real problem I had with the movie is that I don't think Simmons's character would have sacrificed his and the rest of the band's reputations to frick over Teller's character.
At that point it didn't matter to Fletcher because he lost his true chance to push the envelope when he lost his position at the school.
This was just something that was asked of him. So it didn't matter if he threw him under the bus or not.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 4:14 pm to Pectus
quote:They had a moment. Fletcher realized Andrew was his Bird, i.e., his once-in-a-lifetime/generation student. Fletcher mentioned (during their talk at the bar, if memory serves) that he had never had a Charlie Parker. At the last scene, Fletcher realized that Andrew was that person. And Andrew knew that Fletcher knew.
Did Miles Teller's character seal his fate as the next Casey (Fletcher's student who committed suicide?), or did they have a moment where they knew music was pushed to the next level, like they talked about in the bar?
That's my interpretation.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 4:19 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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They had a moment. Fletcher realized Andrew was his Bird, i.e., his once-in-a-lifetime/generation student. Fletcher mentioned (during their talk at the bar, if memory serves) that he had never had a Charlie Parker. At the last scene, Fletcher realized that Andrew was that person. And Andrew knew that Fletcher knew.
That's my interpretation.
See, this is what I want want want to feel, but it could all be a vicious circle!
Posted on 1/5/15 at 4:19 pm to Patrick_Bateman
Such a badass movie. I like everything said in this thread, but Fletcher totally would have sacrificed his reputation to ruin Andrew. Hell, he was a crazy man director that everyone hated for the sole purpose of pushing people to be the next Charlie Parker.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 4:31 pm to SwaggerCopter
quote:Up until the last scene.
Fletcher totally would have sacrificed his reputation to ruin Andrew.
He tried to royally frick Andrew at the concert. But when Andrew went off on his virtuoso solo, Fletcher realized how special he was. He went from sabotaging Andrew's performance, to having his epiphany, to intensely directing his Caravan solo, all in that last scene. The look they exchange at the end says it all, IMO. They each realized what Andrew was, and what he could be.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 4:33 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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He tried to royally frick Andrew at the concert. But when Andrew went off on his virtuoso solo, Fletcher realized how special he was. He went from sabotaging Andrew's performance, to having his epiphany, to intensely directing his Caravan solo, all in that last scene. The look they exchange at the end says it all, IMO. They each realized what Andrew was, and what he could be.
Exactly. 100% agree. What an phenomenal film.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 5:08 pm to SwaggerCopter
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but Fletcher totally would have sacrificed his reputation to ruin Andrew.
But it wasn't just Andrew, he was ruining a big opportunity for the 15 or so other players, some that I have to assume were former students. I think he was truthful in saying that he was mostly being an a-hole so as to motivate. He cared about people outside of the classroom (look at how he interacted with his former student with the young daughter). I just thought that it was a reach for him to do what he did at the end. It was a great twist, though, so I don't mind that they went that route over something more realistic yet less interesting.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 8:37 pm to THRILLHO
I assumed all musicians from the last concert were professionals that just get together or are asked to play for fun 
Don't think it ruined anyone's career. Nor do I think Fletcher was worried about ruining his own career - in his world, his career was already ruined - so he was laser focused on payback. By switching things up, he would make Andrew look like an unprepared dolt and ensure that he quit music for good (he'd done it once before in much the same way), bu Andrew flipped the script and I think there was a clear meeting of minds between the two...basically the two reconciling via the one thing they loved above all else. That movie was really really great.
Just wanted to make mention of this: the dinner scene with Andrew vs. his jock cousins had me lol'ing in the theater.
Don't think it ruined anyone's career. Nor do I think Fletcher was worried about ruining his own career - in his world, his career was already ruined - so he was laser focused on payback. By switching things up, he would make Andrew look like an unprepared dolt and ensure that he quit music for good (he'd done it once before in much the same way), bu Andrew flipped the script and I think there was a clear meeting of minds between the two...basically the two reconciling via the one thing they loved above all else. That movie was really really great. Just wanted to make mention of this: the dinner scene with Andrew vs. his jock cousins had me lol'ing in the theater.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:06 pm to Patrick_Bateman
quote:Great statement
He tried to royally frick Andrew at the concert. But when Andrew went off on his virtuoso solo, Fletcher realized how special he was. He went from sabotaging Andrew's performance, to having his epiphany, to intensely directing his Caravan solo, all in that last scene. The look they exchange at the end says it all, IMO. They each realized what Andrew was, and what he could be.
I found out about this film because two friends recommended it today. I have to say that blew away my expectations [I didn't watch a trailer. Just read the IMDB profile on it]. I liked Miles Teller in "This Awkward Moment". But he was great in this film.
So many "holy shite scenes". One of my favorites was the dinner table conversation.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:10 pm to Pectus
thanks pectus for the update on where to find it. watched it tonight. really simple movie on the surface but truly packs a lasting punch. talk about a very minimalistic way to tell a story between two characters and make the movie really stand for something.
andrew will definitely have issues moving forward. i think his future was foreshadowed at that dinner table with dying very young but being remembered forever.
andrew will definitely have issues moving forward. i think his future was foreshadowed at that dinner table with dying very young but being remembered forever.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:27 pm to Pectus
I think that Andrew had reached that next level. Just finished this movie five minutes ago. Wowww that was a great movie.
Fletcher told Andrew that the two worst words in the world were 'Good Job'. The final scene was as close to Fletcher saying Good Job as he would ever get. The look from Fletcher and the smile back from Andrew was the sign that they knew what Andrew had become.
Fletcher told Andrew that the two worst words in the world were 'Good Job'. The final scene was as close to Fletcher saying Good Job as he would ever get. The look from Fletcher and the smile back from Andrew was the sign that they knew what Andrew had become.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 1/6/15 at 12:00 am to Pectus
Great movie.
When he said, "you think I'm stupid? I know it was you."
All I could think of was oooooh shite.
When he said, "you think I'm stupid? I know it was you."
All I could think of was oooooh shite.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 12:07 am to bamabenny
very Godfather II-esque
Posted on 1/6/15 at 12:14 am to Pectus
JK Simmons was born to play that role. He is such a phenomenal actor. If he yelled at me in real life I think I would shite my pants, absolutely terrifying
Posted on 1/6/15 at 1:15 am to Pectus
Him rushing to get to that rehearsal and getting t boned was as tense as it gets. I couldn't understand how Fletcher even let him take a seat looking like he just got hit by a train, other than he knew he was about to fail miserably and was just being a sadistic prick. I seriously thought Andrew was about to bury a drumstick into his heart
This post was edited on 1/6/15 at 1:16 am
Posted on 1/6/15 at 1:24 am to Chef Leppard
I'm going to be really upset if it doesn't get a Best Picture Nom, Original Screenplay Nom, and Best Director Nom. Chazelle tells his story from beginning to end with hardly any fluff and creates an unbelievable level of tension. Both actors were so good feeding off each other. I saw it for the second time last week and it's just as good if not better.
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