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Did Baltimore cost JJ Watt the MVP?
Posted on 12/30/14 at 9:52 am
Posted on 12/30/14 at 9:52 am
I've been listening to the debate on sports radio and I've read most of threads on the MSB, and the biggest argument against Watt seems to be the fact that the Texans missed the playoffs. My question is two fold - if the Texans make the playoffs, does Watt win the MVP, and if so, should a Baltimore win or loss really be the determining factor?
Asked another way, if you believe Watt is the MVP if the Texans make the playoffs, but you wouldn't give it to him otherwise, why should a game out of his control decide the award?
For the record, I think Rodgers deserves it and will win, I just don't understand some of the arguments against Watt.
Inb4steroids
Asked another way, if you believe Watt is the MVP if the Texans make the playoffs, but you wouldn't give it to him otherwise, why should a game out of his control decide the award?
For the record, I think Rodgers deserves it and will win, I just don't understand some of the arguments against Watt.
Inb4steroids
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Posted on 12/30/14 at 9:53 am to slackster
A- Aron cost watt the mvp
Posted on 12/30/14 at 9:53 am to slackster
Watt had an incredible season last year and they went 2-14. He's a stud but not the MVP of the league.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:03 am to boom roasted
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Watt had an incredible season last year and they went 2-14.
No he didn't. He had 10.5 sacks and 2 fumble recoveries. He had an incredible year 2 years ago and they went 12-4...this year's production was the same as 2012, but with way more playmaking and disruption.
ETA - Aaron Rodgers deserves the MVP, but so does JJ Watt. You can't go wrong with either one. That said, if JJ doesn't win it this year, I don't know if a defensive player will ever win it again. All the QBs in the NFL would have to go full retard for that to happen.
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 10:08 am
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:04 am to slackster
Id say losing 7 games cost them the playoffs, not the Baltimore win...
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:06 am to slackster
he should still win IMO
without him they probably drop 10 or 11 games especially considering the revolving door of walking horse hockey they trotted out at the QB position all year
without him they probably drop 10 or 11 games especially considering the revolving door of walking horse hockey they trotted out at the QB position all year
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:10 am to slackster
Why did a game out of his control decide whether he made the playoffs? Doesn't sound too valuable.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:10 am to slackster
quote:Here's your answer. If he's the MVP, he should have been able to control his team's destiny. Very hard to do that as a defensive player.
why should a game out of his control decide the award?
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:10 am to slackster
Watt is the best player in football. No doubt about it. Is the MVP the best player or the best player on a great team?
Thats the million dollar question.
Thats the million dollar question.
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 10:12 am
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:17 am to slackster
I think A-Aron is the MVP because without him, the Packers are complete garbage. Watt is probably the most amazing athlete in the NFL right now, but I'm not sure he's the MVP. He's worthy, just not this year I don't think.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:23 am to LaBornNRaised
quote:
Watt is the best player in football. No doubt about it. Is the MVP the best player or the best player on a great team?
Thats the million dollar question.
It's neither. It's most valuable, not best.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:42 am to TheChosenOne
There's more to Dline production than sacks and fumble recoveries. He was the highest ranked player on PFF, at any position, by a large margin. I call that having an incredible season. You can call it something else if you like.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:43 am to slackster
quote:
if the Texans make the playoffs, does Watt win the MVP
No
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:54 am to LaBornNRaised
quote:
Watt is the best player in football. No doubt about it. Is the MVP the best player or the best player on a great team?
Thats the million dollar question.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:58 am to boom roasted
Watt obviously grades out the highest on PFF, but I thought it was "easier" to score points as a defensive. Just not a fan of metrics that are points based off a system. I just prefer the raw numbers, a formula that outputs the level of production, or a scaled version of those numbers.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 11:04 am to Vicks Kennel Club
I'm not using it to say he's the best player in the NFL, just that he had an incredible season.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 11:26 am to boom roasted
Alright, I'll agree with that. Though, from what I understand, grading him as a 3-4 DE is difficult because he doesn't really have the typical assignments of a 3-4 DE. He pretty much has free reign to do whatever he wants. He would still have off the chart grades either way.
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 11:29 am
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