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Are older movies truly better?
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:30 am
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:30 am
As review the ATF list of 100 greatest movies, there is one movie post 2000 on there and just a handful post 1980. What do you think about that-are older movies truly superior or do we give them a hand up due to rosy retrospection?
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Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:31 am to House_of Cards
somtimes better acting, also more unique stories. look at movies made now , and back then. They dont make movies like Planet 51, Bridge on the river kwoi,or seven samurai anymore.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:32 am to House_of Cards
Originality beats pretty lights and explosions 9.9/10 times.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:34 am to CrazyCrawfish
True that. I feel like we are truly running out of things to make movies about. What genres haven't been exhausted, yet?
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:36 am to House_of Cards
Also, charm and more personalty. many movies now lack 'soul" or cheer.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:45 am to CrazyCrawfish
Yeah. I personally believe the best movies I have ever seen are Titanic, Citizen Kane and Casa Blanca. The effects and thought provoking essentials are exponential to many.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 12:50 am to House_of Cards
Some movies just hold up well.
Cool Hand Luke
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
12 Angry Men
It's A Wonderful Life
Alien
To Kill A Mockingbird
Etc.
I will agree with what others have said about originality... and sometimes it's just refreshing to watch classics.
Cool Hand Luke
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
12 Angry Men
It's A Wonderful Life
Alien
To Kill A Mockingbird
Etc.
I will agree with what others have said about originality... and sometimes it's just refreshing to watch classics.
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 1:03 am
Posted on 12/28/14 at 2:55 am to jackwoods4
some of my favorite old movies:
1. The Apartment
2. Godfather 1 and 2
3. Chinatown
4. Hitchock's movies
5. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
6. Taxi Driver
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Bridge on the River Kwai
9. On the Waterfront
10. Greatest show on Earth
old but not too
Shawshank, Pulp Fiction
There are plenty more oldies that I can list that are better than recent ones. Like a previous poster said, old movies had originalities. They also have good acting, directing, stories.
The majority movies today are more dumbed down for the masses. They're are more profit driven as appose to creative/intellectually driven. You can see movies todays are one of many things:
1. high budgeted with filled CGIs
2. sequels, prequels
3. remakes
4. sex driven
1. The Apartment
2. Godfather 1 and 2
3. Chinatown
4. Hitchock's movies
5. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
6. Taxi Driver
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Bridge on the River Kwai
9. On the Waterfront
10. Greatest show on Earth
old but not too
Shawshank, Pulp Fiction
There are plenty more oldies that I can list that are better than recent ones. Like a previous poster said, old movies had originalities. They also have good acting, directing, stories.
The majority movies today are more dumbed down for the masses. They're are more profit driven as appose to creative/intellectually driven. You can see movies todays are one of many things:
1. high budgeted with filled CGIs
2. sequels, prequels
3. remakes
4. sex driven
Posted on 12/28/14 at 6:39 am to House_of Cards
One factor might be that the longer time frame = more years to choose from = more "greatest" movies. Another might be that they probably had a lot less sequels, prequels and re-makes in the past than they do today. And I'd say movies in those three catagories are somewhat less likely to be among the "greatest" movies.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:01 am to House_of Cards
quote:No. Often, they have the advantage of originality, but that's about it.
Are older movies truly better?
There are great movies from every decade (except maybe the '80s
), but most of the "Best of All Time" lists are unfairly biased against modern movies. The best movies of today can match up against the best movies of any era. A lot of people are just too hip/nostalgic/biased to admit that. The problem is, there's a shite ton more garbage made today than in any other era, so sometimes it's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:04 am to CrazyCrawfish
quote:Acting in older movies (pre-70s or so) is extremely overrated.
somtimes better acting
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:04 am to House_of Cards
Yes
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:08 am to PeteRose
quote:Good post.
PeteRose
I agree with everything you posted except Chinatown. I've seen it twice now, and I just can't understand why people consider it so great. Maybe I don't get it?
But what you said about modern movies is spot-on. That goes to my point about separating wheat from chaff - there are still good movies made today; they're just buried beneath a mountain of trash.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:14 am to House_of Cards
Look at how many of them are based on good books. Directors today don't follow the books. Too much ego involved. They would rather go off on a tagent and look like a genius when often they don't.
Example: The Firm. Good ending in the book. Chase all over the Gulf Coast. Yet the movie totally ignores it and gives us a stupid ending that pleased no one.
Or Troy. Hell, HOMER, one of the greatest writers of all time gave you the script. You just had to follow it. Instead the directors come up with their own version that sucked balls and was boring as hell. Whole point of Illiad was tragedy. Tragedy of pride, tragedy of death of Achilles, tragedy of flaunting the gods. All of it disappeared and the movie sucked.
An even more modern example. Silence of the Lambs. The attraction of of the movie was the chemistry between Hannibal and Clarise. We move to the sequels. The stories are all about the blood, violence, and gore when the first movie didn't really focus on those things. Guess what? No one watches the sequels twenty years later.
Oh really. So what movie in the last 15 years could match up with the Godfather I and II?
Ah yes, Lawrence Olivier was overrated. So was Spencer Tracey. Who plays a better tough guy? Stallone or Lee Marvin? Let me guess, you'll probably say MM and Hugh Grant probably play romantic comedies better than Cary Grant. And we haven't even gotten around to Charleton Heston or Paul Newman.
Example: The Firm. Good ending in the book. Chase all over the Gulf Coast. Yet the movie totally ignores it and gives us a stupid ending that pleased no one.
Or Troy. Hell, HOMER, one of the greatest writers of all time gave you the script. You just had to follow it. Instead the directors come up with their own version that sucked balls and was boring as hell. Whole point of Illiad was tragedy. Tragedy of pride, tragedy of death of Achilles, tragedy of flaunting the gods. All of it disappeared and the movie sucked.
An even more modern example. Silence of the Lambs. The attraction of of the movie was the chemistry between Hannibal and Clarise. We move to the sequels. The stories are all about the blood, violence, and gore when the first movie didn't really focus on those things. Guess what? No one watches the sequels twenty years later.
quote:
The best movies of today can match up against the best movies of any era. A lot of people are just too hip/nostalgic/biased to admit that
Oh really. So what movie in the last 15 years could match up with the Godfather I and II?
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Acting in older movies (pre-70s or so) is extremely overrated.
Ah yes, Lawrence Olivier was overrated. So was Spencer Tracey. Who plays a better tough guy? Stallone or Lee Marvin? Let me guess, you'll probably say MM and Hugh Grant probably play romantic comedies better than Cary Grant. And we haven't even gotten around to Charleton Heston or Paul Newman.
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 10:20 am
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:17 am to House_of Cards
I would agree that film making has taken a nose dive in the last 15 years or so. Originality does have much to do with it,but I also blame the explosion of CGI, 3D, 360, slow mo, and countless other "pretty" visuals have taken focus away from actual story telling.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:20 am to House_of Cards
I believe the writing was vastly superior to what we have today.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:29 am to prplhze2000
quote:There Will Be Blood
Oh really. So what movie in the last 15 years could match up with the Godfather I and II?
Not quite on the same level as The Godfather, but in the same neighborhood.
ETA: Oh, and what movie from the last 100 years could match up with The Godfather? None. So not the best example.
This post was edited on 12/28/14 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:31 am to prplhze2000
quote:You're using anecdotes to counter a generality I made. Of course there were great actors in the past. But, in general, acting today - at least, good acting today - is as good as acting has ever been. In my opinion.
Ah yes, Lawrence Olivier was overrated. So was Spencer Tracey. . .
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:48 am to House_of Cards
I think originality is the key. The newer movies on the list - Raiders, Shawshank, Dances with Wolves, LofR, Gump, Silence of the Lambs - were very original stories (though most were based off novels).
The older ones are better in the sense that many had not seen their like before. Tougher to make those original stories these days.
The older ones are better in the sense that many had not seen their like before. Tougher to make those original stories these days.
Posted on 12/28/14 at 10:50 am to Holden Caulfield
quote:
I believe the writing was vastly superior to what we have today.
This! I mean Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein before she turned 20, kids these days do not even come close to having that kind of command of the English language.
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