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re: Better Confederate General: Jackson or Longstreet?

Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:19 pm to
Posted by CroakaBait
Gulf Coast of the Land Mass
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:19 pm to
InB4 Forrest.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:41 pm to
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On the other hand, he didn't have much common sense in vital areas, which ultimately led to his death.



Could you elaborate on your whole post, please?

How did Jackson lack common sense? He realized that he needed to lead from the front and push his men to "press on" in order to keep the initiative.

In what way was Jackson "the greatest tactical leader in US history"? He mishandled some battles, such as the Seven Days.

How could Lee's entire legacy be made by Jackson when Lee continued to build his legacy for two years after Jackson died in May, 1863?
Posted by LSUTil_iDie
Lawrenceville, GA
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:46 pm to
Meh. It could go either way. Jackson was a brilliant general, but made some very questionable decisions. Longstreet was not the tactician that Jackson was, but was always in the right place at the right time seemingly.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:54 pm to
Longstreet perhaps just a little better defensively, but they're so close in that regard. Jackson much better with maneuver, so that gives him the edge overall.

That's what made the war so interesting for over 2 years - despite all of the North's advantages, they got about 12 good generals from the antebellum army - while the South got about 60, including, probably 15 of the top 20.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:58 pm to
McClellan was a giant pussy. Man had so many opportunities.
Posted by LSUTil_iDie
Lawrenceville, GA
Member since Jan 2012
5511 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 12:18 am to
That's why Lincoln pulled him with the quickness.
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 12:25 am to
Jackson excelled at gurellia warfare was a natural born leader. His men disposed him but respected him.


Longstreet was a good general that followed orders and got the job done.

By all accounts when stonewall was killed it started the slow decline of the southern army but it didn't really start to show until later on in the spring/summer of 64
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 12:38 am to
Longstreet was but a shadow of what Stonwall Jackson was.
Posted by Macphisto
Washington, DC
Member since Jul 2005
5937 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 12:50 am to
Jackson because he got popped during the war, like they all deserved to be.
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 12:54 am to
So true. His performance in the Valley was second to none in US history. He performed best though when he had an Independent command. His biggest blunders came when his division was merged into another command and he was placed in subordinate role. Lots of miscommunication occurred when his command was sent east from the Valley to merge with Longstreets corp on the coastal plains around Richmond. But no General during that war came close to what he did in the Valley campaign.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 1:08 am to
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Jackson excelled at gurellia warfare...


I'm pretty sure he learned that in the Mexican War.
Posted by lathoroughbred
Louisiana/Kentucky
Member since May 2008
8094 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:13 am to
Great subject. There is a book out by S.C. Gwynne named 'Rebel Yell'
Stonewall Jackson in his entirety
Gwynne is the writer of 'Empire of the Summer Moon,' which was written about Quannah Parker the greatest Comanche. A Pulitzer Prize finalist.
I was fortunate to meet Gwynne at a book signing and have an autographed copy signed to yours truly. Excellent read.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98181 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:19 am to
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J.E.B Stuart


Fearless, brash, brilliant tactician, but wouldn't follow orders. Left Lee hanging at Gettysburg. If he had been in the US Army, I could see him eventually meeting the same fate as Custer.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51271 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:22 am to
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Obviously Longstreet lived throughout the war to become a bitter, defensive old man


Well, Longstreet became a Republican and was basically demonized by his former Confederate colleagues. I'd become bitter and defensive also.
This post was edited on 12/25/14 at 6:23 am
Posted by oldcharlie8
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 7:29 am to
Jackson. in fact, lee even said that, if Jackson doesn't die, we win the war easily due to his artillery skills. he would wipe out half the line before guns were drawn.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 7:32 am to
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Posted by LongueCarabine quote: Like a moth to a flame Or a welfare rat to an EB card. LC



DAMN !!!

LoL

Merry Christmas boys
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34653 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 7:48 am to
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Forrest.


Enlisted as a private of volunteers, finished as a general officer.

Began the war as a millionaire, ended it as a pauper.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 8:11 am to
William F. Perry?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98181 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 1:25 pm to
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Jackson. in fact, lee even said that, if Jackson doesn't die, we win the war easily due to his artillery skills. he would wipe out half the line before guns were drawn.


Lee was being hyperbolic, or was mistaken. The Union had too many logistical and manpower advantages. The outcome was a fait accompli before the war began. It was only a matter of how long it would take. Even if Jackson won every battle he fought in the East, he couldn't be in two places at once, so he couldn't have kept Vicksburg from falling, or Sherman from marching through GA and SC.
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 2:19 pm to
John S. Mosby kept the south alive more than any other officer not named Lee.

The answer to this thread is Jackson. The Shenandoah campaigns were brilliant
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