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re: Post office beats UPS and FedEx for packages

Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:09 pm to
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:09 pm to
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Like lefties do with the USPS? I suppose that's different though..
If Congress was passing laws that severely crippled UPS or FedEx's ability to remain afloat, I promise you I would be backing the package delivery companies.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:13 pm to
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Which is the problem with government planning. Market based industry >>> govt funding.
If there is such an inherent problem, how was it able to work successfully for over a century? And how would the market handle the unprofitable nature of the requirement of universal postal service? Here's how: government funding.

And in this case, government planning is working perfectly. Because the plan was to destroy the USPS in order to privatize it.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:13 pm to
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Also, I'm pretty confident that UPS and FedEx (or whoever ends up with the old USPS) will end up getting some sort of government assistance in order to deliver to all of the unprofitable addresses that the USPS currently services.
A rural delivery subsidy makes a lot more sense than an entire separate delivery service, IMO. You could split the budget of the USPS between those and broadband development grants and do a lot more good. It would also end third-class mail, which frankly should be done anyway. A ginormous portion of what USPS delivers goes straight into the trash.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:17 pm to
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If Congress was passing laws that severely crippled UPS or FedEx's ability to remain afloat, I promise you I would be backing the package delivery companies.


If there was a better solution available, no.

Letter mail should disappear anyway and save some trees.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112495 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:18 pm to
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If there is such an inherent problem, how was it able to work successfully for over a century?


It didn't. It was a failure from the start. In early US history the post office management was a place for political leaders to place supporters (the spoils system).

When private alternatives popped up in the 1800s they were squashed by laws designed to make them non competitive. The post office had govt on their side. The private start ups had no chance.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:19 pm to
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And in this case, government planning is working perfectly. Because the plan was to destroy the USPS in order to privatize it.

That really SHOULD be the plan. There's literally no reason to publicly fund it.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32096 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:21 pm to
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Letter mail should disappear anyway and save some trees.


The forestry products industry would shite bricks if letter mail and junk mail disappeared. They spend a lot of money backing candidates on both sides of the isle to make sure that doesn't happen.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:21 pm to
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Letter mail should disappear anyway and save some trees.
I agree with you here, but that will take a long time to happen.
Posted by Pinecone Repair
Burminham
Member since Nov 2013
7156 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:25 pm to
Wow, that has not been my experience at all. USPS has not once been less expensive than UPS. In fact more than once the USPS rate was nearly twice UPS.
Posted by Pinecone Repair
Burminham
Member since Nov 2013
7156 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:30 pm to
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Top: UPS 
Medium: Fed Ex 
Worst: USPS


Same for me and I also buy nearly everything online and have packages almost daily.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:32 pm to
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It didn't. It was a failure from the start. In early US history the post office management was a place for political leaders to place supporters (the spoils system).

When private alternatives popped up in the 1800s they were squashed by laws designed to make them non competitive. The post office had govt on their side. The private start ups had no chance.
Ah, right, the American Letter Mail Company. The company that delivered all of the profitable mail in order to prove a point (private enterprise does it better rar rar!), leaving the government service to handle the expensive deliveries and place a huge burden on taxpayers.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28709 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:34 pm to
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That really SHOULD be the plan. There's literally no reason to publicly fund it.
As already mentioned, it doesn't have to be publicly funded. It operates break-even as designed. The only reason taxpayers are bearing the burden now is because the plan to destroy it has been put into effect.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260778 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:35 pm to
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Ah, right, the American Letter Mail Company. The company that delivered all of the profitable mail in order to prove a point (private enterprise does it better rar rar!), leaving the government service to handle the expensive deliveries and place a huge burden on taxpayers.



Why is it so important to have a public mail service?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112495 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:41 pm to
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Ah, right, the American Letter Mail Company. The company that delivered all of the profitable mail in order to prove a point (private enterprise does it better rar rar!), leaving the government service to handle the expensive deliveries and place a huge burden on taxpayers.


Ah, wrong. There were private city delivery services 50 years before ALMC. They were all shot down by political machines.
The ALMC did not put any huge burden on taxpayers.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:25 pm to
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As already mentioned, it doesn't have to be publicly funded. It operates break-even as designed. The only reason taxpayers are bearing the burden now is because the plan to destroy it has been put into effect.

Oh pahleez.

The USPS revenues are declining and anyone paying a lick of attention can tell that's going to continue. Alas, their costs are NOT declining. Forcing the USPS to pre-pay into the retirement fund is basically an attempt to avoid the OBVIOUS reality that as revenues decline, the public is liable to get stuck with the retirement bill for all those USPS employees.

Sure, we could not have them do this and right NOW, they'd remain solvent but with declining revenues with literally zero chance of reversing that trend, that would be fiscal stupidity.
Posted by PPL
Member since Nov 2010
447 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:32 pm to
I've never had a problem with USPS or FedEx. I've had several incidents of late and lost delivery with UPS, however. Not a communist, just my real life observation.
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8153 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:38 pm to
Literally. Get the frick outta here with that bullshite. Subsidies in the form of roads? Get. The. frick. Out.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:49 pm to
This thread pretty much shows how things work:

Worst is a government entity: USPS
Second worst is a unionized entity: UPS
Best is a non-unionized entity: Fed Ex

This applies to pretty much everything.
Posted by OldTigahFot
Drinkin' with the rocket scientists
Member since Jan 2012
10502 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:33 pm to
And yet, we have at least 3 packages that should have been delivered to us last week that are languishing in the Postal System. We won't see those till we get back home on the 4th. It doesn't really matter to me but the givers are embarrassed about them not getting there on time.

Posted by RudeDog11
Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
359 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:43 pm to
Know what the hell you are talking about before you spew a bunch of crap. UPS and Fed Ex drop off all of the parcels they can't handle for the postal service to deliver, and that is an awful lot of parcels.
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