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re: Unless Amari Cooper is there when we pick...
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:52 pm to Earn Your Keep
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:52 pm to Earn Your Keep
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If Cooper is available when we pick
trust me, he won't be
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:58 pm to CBandits82
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you think he could have an OBJ impact in first season?
I think it depends on where he ends up.
Cooper is every bit as talented as OBJ if not more so. If he ends up with a veteran quarterback then he'll be a force next season. Most people don't really understand what makes Cooper so good. You look at him, he doesn't look very big, he doesn't look very fast...so you think, what makes this guy so good?
Well he's pretty big. He's pretty fast. He's the smoothest route runner to come out in a decade. He can absolutely have that kind of impact next year.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:59 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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He's the smoothest route runner to come out in a decade
Not sure you can say that with OBJ this year
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:05 pm to TigerBait1127
My thought process, you go BPA unless its a complete non needed position. To me cooper maybe the best or top 3 player in colloge football. If he is there, i take him. We dont currently have a #1 wr. He looks like a cant miss. And we can always get oline help in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rds
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:05 pm to Earn Your Keep
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Now you have a chance to pick a top O-lineman but because there's not one from Alabama available, we need to draft a WR.
Let the bama hate go
Outside of quarterbacks it is smart to draft the best player available. If Cooper is there at 4, he'll be the best player available. This is all a silly hypothetical for that very reason, the guy isn't making it to new orleans. Everyone as seen the production, when he obliterates the combine and interviews well it's going to be a surprise if he makes it out of the top 5...and those teams in the top 5 have bigger needs than WR too
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:07 pm to TigerBait1127
all due respect to beckham, but cooper runs better routes
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:11 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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all due respect to beckham, but cooper runs better routes
Based on what? That is Beckham's strength and is one of the best route runners in the NFL as a rookie.
He has that status despite missing the majority of offseason workouts.
So with all due respect to Cooper, he's not a better route runner than Beckham. If he's in the same atmosphere, he'll be a great NFL receiver. He's as good as it gets coming out from a route running perspective
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Now, respected players, coaches and front-office types are throwing unending praise in his direction. Sherman said he's the "real deal." Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said he's going to be a "great one." Former NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah predicted he'd be the best wide receiver in the loaded 2014 draft class because of his polished route-running.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:15 pm to TigerBait1127
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Based on what? That is Beckham's strength and is one of the best route runners in the NFL as a rookie.
Based on watching them both play in the same league for 3 years. Based on one of the best receivers of all time saying the same thing. Beckham is a natural route runner, Cooper is just a little better at it. There's a reason he's being mocked as high as 3rd overall pick.
With all due respect to Beckham, and he is tearing it up this year, he has never been better at football than Amari Cooper
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:18 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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There's a reason he's being mocked as high as 3rd overall pick
There's a reason Beckham is playing better than anyone in the NFL right now at receiver...as a rookie
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With all due respect to Beckham, and he is tearing it up this year, he has never been better at football than Amari Cooper
Except for right now...in the NFL
There has never been a rookie receiver to do what Beckham has done this year
He's Cooper's ceiling as a rookie
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:24 pm to TigerBait1127
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There has never been a rookie receiver to do what Beckham has done this year
What does that have to do with Amari Cooper, who is still in college? Everyone realizes beckham is having a great year, but when they played in the same league, Cooper was better than Beckham.
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He's Cooper's ceiling as a rookie
frick, thought you were a saints fan..didn't even read your username. He's a better prospect coming out than Beckham. I know that's unpleasant to read but everyone that knows what they're talking about will tell you that he's a better prospect coming out than beckham. You can't see that for what it is and view it as a slight to beckham. It's not. It speaks to Cooper's talent
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:27 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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What does that have to do with Amari Cooper, who is still in college?
Seriously? Thought we were comparing him to Beckham
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Everyone realizes beckham is having a great year, but when they played in the same league, Cooper was better than Beckham.
Cooper was better than Beckham last season? Please explain.
Not sure why you're laughing. OBJ is going to win rookie of the year while setting records. That is a hell of a ceiling.
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frick, thought you were a saints fan..didn't even read your username
I'm a much bigger Saints fan than LSU fan. This has little do with LSU. I've already said I wanted Cooper.
You're the one throwing away logic. Gumps gonna gump
Since you keep adding stuff --
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He's a better prospect coming out than Beckham.
I don't disagree. Beckham is proven at this point though. He's NFL proven to be an elite route runner.
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You can see that for what it is and view it as a slight to beckham. It's not. It speaks to Cooper's talent[
Same thing for calling OBJ's rookie season Cooper's ceiling as a rookie. It isn't a slight, it speaks to OBJ's dominance.
Might be too hard for you to comprehend.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:31 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
beckham will be a better pro player
amari was a better college player
amari was a better college player
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:40 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Riseupfromtherubble
Pick one player right now:
OBJ or Cooper
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:42 pm to adamb2151
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I think if Amari Cooper is there when we pick, then we absolutely should trade down. We need all the picks we can get
frick it. I'd keep him. I don't know how I feel about this draft.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:43 pm to TigerBait1127
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Cooper was better than Beckham last season? Please explain.
We both know Cooper missed several games with an injury, but I'll indulge you anyway
When they were both in the league, the 2012 and 2013 seasons, let's take a look at how they performed.
Amari Cooper
2012 (freshman)
59 receptions- 1,000 yards- 11 touchdowns
2013 season (sophomore)
45 receptions- 736 yards- 4 touchdowns
2 years totals = 1,736 yards and 15 touchdowns. Freshman and Sophomore seasons
Odell Beckham
2012 (sophomore season)
43 receptions- 713 yards- 2 touchdowns
2013 (junior season)
57 receptions- 1117 yards- 8 touchdowns
2 year totals = 1,830 yards and 10 touchdowns. Sophomore and Junior seasons
Obviously if we compare apples to apples there isn't a debate, so I only included the stats from the years that they both played in the SEC.
In the event you were curious though
Beckham career
141 receptions
2305 yards
16.3 ypc
12 touchdowns
Cooper career (to date)
219 receptions
3392 yards
15.5 ypc
29 touchdowns
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:45 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
So he was only better in 2012, gotcha
Not to mention OBJ averaged nearly 20 ypc last year.
Besides the point. Right now, who would you choose. I absolutely think copper was the better college player. Beckham has shown elite play, as a rookie, in the NFL
Not to mention OBJ averaged nearly 20 ypc last year.
Besides the point. Right now, who would you choose. I absolutely think copper was the better college player. Beckham has shown elite play, as a rookie, in the NFL
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:46 pm to TigerBait1127
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Pick one player right now: OBJ or Cooper
If you told me Beckham would be eligible for the draft next year then I'd have to select Beckham.
I'm 100% sure he can be a playmaker in the NFL. I'm only 99% sure with Cooper.
That doesn't mean I think Beckham is better than Cooper, I'm just answering your question as if it were actually a decision I may be faced with
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:46 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
I don't know if Cooper is better than Beckham, but I think Cooper looks like he can be very good in the NFL.
Beckham is lighting up the NFL right now. Cooper can't top that until he gets the chance and actually does it.
Beckham is lighting up the NFL right now. Cooper can't top that until he gets the chance and actually does it.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:50 pm to TigerBait1127
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So he was only better in 2012, gotcha
No, I think he's always been better. He missed a few games in 2013 so his stats didn't really reflect his talent. I even gave Beckham the advantage in that comparison because in both cases he has an extra year of experience on Cooper in the SEC.
Everyone knows how good Beckham is. You will not find a single scout that had a higher grade on Beckham than they'll have on Cooper, and that's a tough pill to swallow
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:51 pm to SabiDojo
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Cooper can't top that until he gets the chance and actually does it.
Precisely. Cooper is being penalized by one for not lighting up NFL defenses
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