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re: How to kill St.George.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:58 am to Shaun176
Posted on 12/22/14 at 11:58 am to Shaun176
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A lot of the people involved in the movement have been misled into thinking a city automatically gets them a school district.
Not automatic but there is no way that St. George will gain control of the schools in the district without incorporating. That's what Central was told. That's why they incorporated. Because for many years Central's schools due to lack of funding were falling apart, with buildings that were condemned.
Finally a proposal to renovate Central's schools made it to a ballot and this funding measure passed.
But instead of using this money for Central it was spent on other schools inside BR's city limits. That is what did it for Central residents, and finding out that the per student funding in Central was a fraction of the amount that schools in BR's city limits was receiving.
So Central wanted the funding that was passed, and when that never happened, wanted control over their tax money to go to their schools, and were told they couldn't have funding control over the schools in their district without incorporating.
Of course Central had to overcome the presiding judge who commented publicly that she wasn't sure that a predominately white community should be allowed to incorporate.
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:06 pm to LeonPhelps
quote:I'm always amused by people, not just you but everyone, who rant and rave about how much they hate taxes and how unfair taxes are and how they refuse to pay taxes, blah, blah, blah and then openly reveal they don't have a clue about existing taxes or how funds are used.
What about the Downtown Development District or the Redevelopment Authority? Where do the funds for that come from?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:08 pm to Shaun176
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SEBR has two blue ribbon schools which are not magnet schools. A majority of the schools in SEBR are either A or B schools, plus parents have the option of sending their kids to magnet schools.
However you choose to describe the current state of SEBR schools (you promote it as a positive, SEBR residents see it as a negative) the only important fact is that the residents believe that they can do much better on their own.
I support them in that effort.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:19 pm to LeonPhelps
There is a downtown development district which was formed. They elected to levy a tax on their district, and they are funded via that property tax.
I don't know if they have another source of revenue(s).
I don't know if they have another source of revenue(s).
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:26 pm to LSURussian
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I'm always amused by people, not just you but everyone, who rant and rave about how much they hate taxes and how unfair taxes are and how they refuse to pay taxes, blah, blah, blah and then openly reveal they don't have a clue about existing taxes or how funds are used.
Like how SG residents always complain about the CATS tax they don't pay for, but get the service.
People always bitch about how shitty downtown is, then oppose anything that tries to improve it.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:27 pm to magildachunks
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Like how SG residents always complain about the CATS tax they don't pay for, but get the service.
People always bitch about how shitty downtown is, then oppose anything that tries to improve it.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:37 pm to LSURussian
Public transportation, downtowns, and libraries will all be forbidden in the new city of St George.
In fact I am willing to pay MORE taxes just to make sure none of my money is going to any of that.
It's time to stop having the lowest taxes in the region and the best credit rating. It's time to stop having the most infrastructure improvements in spite of all that. It's time for people who look like me to be in control of the purse strings.
In fact I am willing to pay MORE taxes just to make sure none of my money is going to any of that.
It's time to stop having the lowest taxes in the region and the best credit rating. It's time to stop having the most infrastructure improvements in spite of all that. It's time for people who look like me to be in control of the purse strings.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:50 pm to Asgard Device
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Public transportation, downtowns, and libraries will all be forbidden in the new city of St George.
In fact I am willing to pay MORE taxes just to make sure none of my money is going to any of that.
It's time to stop having the lowest taxes in the region and the best credit rating. It's time to stop having the most infrastructure improvements in spite of all that. It's time for people who look like me to be in control of the purse strings.
Your implication is that Baton Rouge will benefit from St. George coming into existence. You should support them in their effort.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:37 pm to Asgard Device
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Public transportation, downtowns, and libraries will all be forbidden in the new city of St George.
People in SG will continue to support CATS as we do now. People in SG will continue to support the library system as we do now. SG will continue to shop, dine and frequent downtown too.
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It's time to stop having the lowest taxes in the region and the best credit rating. It's time to stop having the most infrastructure improvements in spite of all that. It's time for people who look like me to be in control of the purse strings
EBR does have a great credit rating, but it doesn't have the lowest taxes in the region. And as best as I can determine, every citizen that lives in EBR Parish supports all of the infrastructure programs. We pau taxes for the schools being built and remodeled, we pay taxes for the new streets in the Green Light Program, and we pay sewer user taxes for the grand sewerage reconstruction. We also pay for new parks and for new libraries.
The notion that SG citizens are getting things for free is ridiculous. We pay the same sales tax that you do. We pay the same sewer fee you do. We pay the same property tax that you do for parks and libraries and schools.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:41 pm to doubleb
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People in SG will continue to support CATS as we do now.
Well...that's just not true.
which makes this:
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The notion that SG citizens are getting things for free is ridiculous
not true as well.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:45 pm to magildachunks
Sure its true, we support CATS by paying fares, and through our hotel taxes, and that wouldn't change if SG becomes a city.
That's the facts jack.
Now we don't pay a property tax to pay for CATS, but that certainly isn't our doing. The leadership of BR decided they would do it themselves, and not include us.
But if we want to ride the bus we will pay. Book it Dano.
That's the facts jack.
Now we don't pay a property tax to pay for CATS, but that certainly isn't our doing. The leadership of BR decided they would do it themselves, and not include us.
But if we want to ride the bus we will pay. Book it Dano.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:47 pm to doubleb
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Sure its true, we support CATS by paying fares, and through our hotel taxes, and that wouldn't change if SG becomes a city. That's the facts jack. Now we don't pay a property tax to pay for CATS, but that certainly isn't our doing. The leadership of BR decided they would do it themselves, and not include us. But if we want to ride the bus we will pay. Book it Dano.
Well that is some awesome distortion of facts right there.
You SG boys are getting really good at that.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:56 pm to magildachunks
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Well that is sometimes awesome distortion of facts right there. You SG boys are getting really good at that.
Distortion of what facts.
People that live in SG pay fares to ride the bus, right?
People in the city decided to have a property tax passed on themselves to support CATS, right?
If SG becomes a municipality is CATS going to be impacted? The answer is no.
The voters of BR have spoken. They elected to place a property tax on themselves. SG didn't do it. BR did it.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:03 pm to doubleb
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People in SG will continue to support CATS
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we don't pay a property tax to pay for CATS
I bet you're not even embarrassed for having written the statements above.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:15 pm to LSURussian
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I bet you're not even embarrassed for having written the statements above.
Well at least I didn't post here that 9+2-2=11 and I didn't post here that 38 million dollars in sales tax revenues came from the Mall of La. and when challenged gave some BS excuse when you couldn't link a source.
And I'm not embarrassed to say that I pay a lot of taxes for a lot of services that I do not use, but I do it because its for the good of community as a whole and I really don't mind. I'm blessed to do so.
And the fact that BR decided to tax themselves heavily for bus services that many do not use is commendable, but don't blame SG for that. That one is on you guys. Ya'll really need to quit bellyaching about it.
Keep looking out for us SG fanboys though. It is commendable how you worry about St. Georgeans paying too much taxes. I appreciate your concern.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:27 pm to doubleb
quote:Please point out one post I've made that indicates I'm worried that SG is paying too much in taxes. I'm pretty sure you will fail at that, just like you failed trying to convince others that SG "supports" CATS.
It is commendable how you worry about St. Georgeans paying too much taxes.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:45 pm to LSURussian
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Please point out one post I've made that indicates I'm worried that SG is paying too much in taxes. I'm pretty sure you will fail at that, just like you failed trying to convince others that SG "supports" CATS.
I hope you know the property tax levied in BR to support CATS is estimated to bring in just less than 15 million dollars or about 60 percent of CATS' total amount of revenues.
The rest of the revenues come from riders, a hotel tax collected throughout the parish and from federal sources.
It's not just the citizens of BR who support CATS, but many other citizens who ride the buses, stay in local hotels, etc.
And yes whether or not SG becomes a city or not, the level of support given by SGeans will continue as usual. It's not nearly as much support as BRougeans provide, but whose fault is that?
And I realize that you pretend to be concerned that SGeans may have to pay more taxes, you really don't care; it's just a tactic you use to try and scare folks so that you can maintain the status quo.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:51 pm to doubleb
Oh, I really do care because of my friends and family who live in an unincorporated part of EBR and who would prefer not to pay for your promised paradise.
You can pay 100 times more in taxes and I won't care.
You can pay 100 times more in taxes and I won't care.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:54 pm to LSURussian
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Oh, I really do care because of my friends and family who live in an unincorporated part of EBR and who would prefer not to pay for your promised paradise
And I'll repeat what I posted above:
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It is commendable how you worry about St. Georgeans paying too much taxes
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:57 pm to doubleb
Only a select few.
But mainly it's the lies being told by the SG organizers that I can't let go unchallenged. And all because they want a taxpayer funded sandbox to play in.
But mainly it's the lies being told by the SG organizers that I can't let go unchallenged. And all because they want a taxpayer funded sandbox to play in.
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