- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Rubio: If Paul Wants to be Obama’s Chief Cheerleader,’ He Can Go for It"
Posted on 12/22/14 at 7:39 am to TOKEN
Posted on 12/22/14 at 7:39 am to TOKEN
quote:
“I’ll continue to oppose the Obama foreign policy on Cuba because I know it won’t lead to freedom and liberty for the Cuban people, which is my sole interest here.”
That says it all. As a US Senator, I'd hope his primary interest would lie elsewhere.
0
Posted on 12/22/14 at 7:57 am to TOKEN
One thing we have to be clear on, the neocon position on Cuba has not resulted in any benefit for the Cuban people. 50 years has proven this.
If a new approach is taken by association and free trade it stands a better chance of helping the Cuban people. Is it perfect? Hell no. Will the Castro regime confiscate most of the wealth? Sure. However the Cuban people have less of a chance of gaining any additional wealth under the "isolate Cuba coalition" policies. That needs to change and Rand is on the "right side of history" here despite aligning with Obama.
By lifting the trade barriers with Cuba, the Cuban people will no doubt be better off.
(Just think of all the cash tips and black market employment that will be generated. Casto won't see any of this money. Access to the internet will grow also. This can only help the Cuban condition.)
If a new approach is taken by association and free trade it stands a better chance of helping the Cuban people. Is it perfect? Hell no. Will the Castro regime confiscate most of the wealth? Sure. However the Cuban people have less of a chance of gaining any additional wealth under the "isolate Cuba coalition" policies. That needs to change and Rand is on the "right side of history" here despite aligning with Obama.
By lifting the trade barriers with Cuba, the Cuban people will no doubt be better off.
(Just think of all the cash tips and black market employment that will be generated. Casto won't see any of this money. Access to the internet will grow also. This can only help the Cuban condition.)
Posted on 12/22/14 at 8:09 am to TOKEN
quote:
“I’ll continue to oppose the Obama foreign policy on Cuba because I know it won’t lead to freedom and liberty for the Cuban people, which is my sole interest here.”
He can have his feelings and opinion on the subject, but leaving things the way they were certainly was no way to "lead Cuban people to freedom and liberty".
Rubio is out of momentum, he isn't the hot item he was at first. I'm not a fan and never was a fan of him. Rand Paul is going to be the next president, although if Hillary runs, it could get murky.I could see a lot of "conservative women" vote for Hillary.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:29 am to Stingray
quote:
Now that Russia and Venezuela are failing, isn't this just us positioning ourselves to make Cuban our ally/associate?
The cynic in me would agree but this is 18 months in the works.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:48 am to TOKEN
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:59 am to trackfan
What I'm fascinated with is how Paul is redefining, but mostly correcting the right's definition of isolationism.
Neocons isolate America from other countries by bombing them, but if don't agree to bomb them you're an isolationist. But the act of bombing does just that, it isolates you from said bombed country.
Now the non-isolationist want to continue to isolate themselves from Cuba and the so called isolationist (Paul) want to associate themselves with Cuba.
Irony everywhere.
Neocons isolate America from other countries by bombing them, but if don't agree to bomb them you're an isolationist. But the act of bombing does just that, it isolates you from said bombed country.
Now the non-isolationist want to continue to isolate themselves from Cuba and the so called isolationist (Paul) want to associate themselves with Cuba.
Irony everywhere.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:56 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
If a politician is so stubborn that he can't see that 50 years of doing the same thing isn't working
All of you idiots keep saying this in every thread about Cuba and it is just not true. Yes the embargo has been in place longer than 50 years, but the USSR was supporting Cuba for 30 of them. Any true effect was mitigated by the USSR just giving them money. And after the USSR collapsed, Venezuela started giving them oil, aid, and money. Putin started helping Cuba again when he became the leader of Russia as he reached out to old cold war allies.
Why is this significant? Because Venezuela is going broke and the free oil for Cuba is running out. Russia is going broke and the aid to Cuba is stopping. Because of this Cuba was going broke and actual changes were happening. Ownership of property was allowed 3 years ago. The free education programs that were popular with the people were cut. Other changes were being talked about as the Cuban government desperately tried to stay in power and for the economy not to collapse.
And what does Obama do? Throws a lifeline to evil murderous dictator as the cracks are starting to show in the communists governments stranglehold. The people who are for this are just obama lovers, or the kind of people who just want to do something for the sake of saying they did something.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:02 pm to TOKEN
quote:
the honorable thing and backed his President.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:46 pm to Patrick_Bateman
quote:
Paul stands alone.
this...which is why I will vote for him....he doesn't get in bed with anybody as far as I can tell...he is his own man...we could use a little more of that...#campaignforliberty
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:43 pm to redandright
quote:
But you won't be seeing any democratic republic down there any time soon.
The Soviet Union collapsed virtually overnight. The same thing will happen here in the next 10-15 years. It will happen even faster because of the internet.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:48 pm to SthGADawg
quote:
this...which is why I will vote for him....he doesn't get in bed with anybody as far as I can tell...he is his own man...we could use a little more of that...#campaignforliberty
His dad was treated like shite by both parties for having his own views. Rand isn't as independent as his dad, but is the second best thing IMO. We'll see if he conforms down the homestretch.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:48 pm to trackfan
quote:
Predictably, the National Review comes to Rubio's defense.
Ridiculous article, this is about Cuba post Castro brothers.
They turned this into a Rand Paul hit piece. It read as if he is a traitor.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Like Paul, I agree with Obama on this one. This may be the one lasting positive from his presidency. Our foreign policy towards Cuba makes absolutely no sense.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
His dad was treated like shite by both parties for having his own views. Rand isn't as independent as his dad, but is the second best thing IMO. We'll see if he conforms down the homestretch.
Thankfully Rand doesn't come off like a petulant child, either. I liked Ron, but the guy had no leadership ability and 75% of his following were college outcasts between the ages of 18-25 who identified with Ron as dorks.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:56 pm to GumboPot
quote:
What I'm fascinated with is how Paul is redefining, but mostly correcting the right's definition of isolationism.
Neocons isolate America from other countries by bombing them, but if don't agree to bomb them you're an isolationist. But the act of bombing does just that, it isolates you from said bombed country.
Now the non-isolationist want to continue to isolate themselves from Cuba and the so called isolationist (Paul) want to associate themselves with Cuba.
Irony everywhere.
You mean hypocrisy everywhere?
The polls are with the President on this one and Rand sees the long term wisdom articulated by Obama. There are other enlightened Republicans out there as well as there are Democrats that still think Castro killed Kennedy.
ETA: The old conventional wisdom was to wait for Castro to die and run a victory lap but this shite bag has outlived what 8-9 presidents. We need to lay the foundation for post Castro.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
His dad was treated like shite by both parties for having his own views.
The GOP may have treated him like crap, but folks on the left, like Bill Maher and Chris Matthews, liked him, and they like Rand too.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:00 pm to trackfan
quote:
but folks on the left, like Bill Maher and Chris Matthews, liked him, and they like Rand too.
They only like Rand or Ron when they agree with them on specific issues. The left has absolutely bashed both for perceived connections to racist groups and their statements on the CRA.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Austerity and Slashing Benefits are not the values of democrats.
We can agree on issues but don't expect Democrats to run to the side of someone who opposed the Civil Rights Act.
We can agree on issues but don't expect Democrats to run to the side of someone who opposed the Civil Rights Act.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
They only like Rand or Ron when they agree with them on specific issues.
What's wrong with that?
quote:
The left has absolutely bashed both for perceived connections to racist groups and their statements on the CRA.
There are a few folks who can't get past his 2008 inerview with Rachel Maddow, but over the last couple of years, I'd say his coverage on MSNBC has been at least 5:1 positive to negative. Also, Bill Maher made no mention of the CRA when he had Rand on his show last month, and some folks on the left accused Maher of softballing him.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:10 pm to TOKEN
right, the point being the Dems are no more accepting of the Paul's than establishment R's. It's all conditional and acceptance is based on mutual agreement, it's not universal respect.
Page 3 of 4
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News