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Watched "Fort Apache" on Encore and realized...
Posted on 12/20/14 at 8:00 am
Posted on 12/20/14 at 8:00 am
...Peter Jackson completely ripped off Faramir's charge on Osgiliath from Thursday's charge in this movie.
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Posted on 12/20/14 at 8:07 am to udtiger
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"Fort Apache"
Shirley Temple, near the end of her film career, in one of only a half-dozen or so "grown up" roles.
[checks to see if she was legal then...]
Posted on 12/20/14 at 8:09 am to Ace Midnight
She wasn't bad on the eyes.
Funny thing, her character was 15 in the movie.
Henry Fonda's character was a dick.
Funny thing, her character was 15 in the movie.
Henry Fonda's character was a dick.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 8:14 am to udtiger
No, it is the Polish cavalry charge on Sept 12 1683...
Jan III Sobieski the Polish King charged down the mountain with 18,000 horsemen (3,000 Winged Hussars in the lead) into Ottomans line at 6pm and the rest was history as the Turks for over 300 years never has been a threat to Europe since that time.
Jan prayed with the other 2 leaders of the allied armies at a mass early around 2am and did give a short speech before the attack at 6pm to his troops.
Jan III Sobieski the Polish King charged down the mountain with 18,000 horsemen (3,000 Winged Hussars in the lead) into Ottomans line at 6pm and the rest was history as the Turks for over 300 years never has been a threat to Europe since that time.
Jan prayed with the other 2 leaders of the allied armies at a mass early around 2am and did give a short speech before the attack at 6pm to his troops.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 8:15 am to udtiger
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Henry Fonda's character was a dick.
He was the antagonist of the film.
John by G-d Wayne was the hero of the film, brah.
The Duke over Hanoi Jane's pappy all day, every day.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 8:32 am to tigger1
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Polish cavalry charge
?
Not talking about Eomer at end of Two Towers, but Faramir's in ROTK (while Pippin is singing to Denethor).
Posted on 12/20/14 at 8:33 am to Ace Midnight
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He was the antagonist
Oh, I know...he was just so good at it
Posted on 12/20/14 at 8:39 am to udtiger
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Polish cavalry charge
?
Not talking about Eomer at end of Two Towers, but Faramir's in ROTK (while Pippin is singing to Denethor).
I was about to post this. Two totally different charges for two totally different reasons with two totally different outcomes.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 8:41 am to udtiger
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Oh, I know...he was just so good at it
That's the thing - Hank was an ideal "everyman" and is the "liberal" counterpart to one of his best friends, the "conservative" Jimmy Stewart.
Film fans were just unaccustomed to seeing him in an antagonistic role - he was very good as Thursday (I believe a take on Custer, overall, although more spit and polish, Custer was also a West Pointer that went to his doom at the hands of plains indians) - and the only other prominent bad guy he played - at least that I recall - was Once Upon a Time in the West. He was brilliant in that.
And - while Leone "unretired" from making westerns in order to direct Fonda - Fonda initially passed. Eli Wallach had to talk him into it.
They made that entire movie to show Hank Fonda killing a child...
ETA: Fort Apache is probably my least favorite of Ford's "Cavalry" trilogy. She Wore A Yellow Ribbon is more fun (although Fort Apache has its moment) - and Rio Grande has Maureen O'Hara.
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 8:44 am
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:08 am to Ace Midnight
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Maureen O'Hara
Definite babe...and probably the only ginger with a soul.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:46 am to udtiger
I actually enjoyed seeing Thursday getting his arse kicked.
Problem was Collingwood and his brothers had to die for it.
Problem was Collingwood and his brothers had to die for it.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 2:10 pm to prplhze2000
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Agreed
Agreed
Posted on 12/20/14 at 2:34 pm to Ace Midnight
she really got fricked over acting career wise by the old studio system and her parents.
at least she was one of the few child stars that was able to be very successful outside of movies though.
at least she was one of the few child stars that was able to be very successful outside of movies though.
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 12/20/14 at 8:49 pm to Dr RC
how so?
Posted on 12/20/14 at 9:08 pm to Ace Midnight
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(I believe a take on Custer, overall, although more spit and polish, Custer was also a West Pointer that went to his doom at the hands of plains indians) -
More Fetterman than Custer, IYAM. Custer was a douchebag, but he was also an experienced Indian fighter, and based on past experience, his tactics should have worked at LBH. The plains tribes hardly ever engaged in set piece battles vs the US Army, and In fact, Custer's great concern was that they would break contact before his reinforcements arrived, so he attacked without them. But the Sioux and Cheyenne crossed him up and decided to stand and fight. Fetterman was a green officer from back east who was out to make a name for himself, disobeyed orders not to get out of sight of the fort, and got his whole command wiped out by the Sioux. He's unremembered him because it happened during the Civil War when nobody was paying attention to what was going on out west.
Any explanation or theories on what happened between Thursday and Collingwood?
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Nothing personal in this, Sam. No explanations, Owen. We've never had them before. - Although, once, I tried. - There was nothing to explain. No, nothing. You did what you did, and rode to glory. I did what I did, and wound up at Fort Apache- Well, you've wound up here too..
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:02 pm to Jim Rockford
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Any explanation or theories on what happened between Thursday and Collingwood?
Despite the Civil War and the Indian Wars, the "regular army" was pretty small back then. West Point would produce 40, 50, 60 graduates back then, so the fraternity was pretty small - they all knew each other.
So,
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Nothing personal in this, Sam. No explanations, Owen. We've never had them before. - Although, once, I tried. - There was nothing to explain. No, nothing. You did what you did, and rode to glory. I did what I did, and wound up at Fort Apache- Well, you've wound up here too..
George O'Brien (Collingswood) is older than Hank Fonda by 6 years and the Duke by 8, for perspective.
I always read it that Thursday screwed over Collingswood (or otherwise jumped over him) and that's why he's got the permanent rank of Lieutenant, while Collingswood (and the Duke, for that matter) are still Captains. All three of them probably commanded Regiments and were brevet LTC during the war.
That would be about right for young lieutenants when the war started (heck, maybe Collingswood was a captain, even then), and now, 15 to 17 years later, they're at Fort Apache.
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:19 pm to Ace Midnight
Fonda's Thursday was rigid to the point of foolishness. The kind of leader who ends up with most of his command sacrificed because he considered officer's and non-com's opinions counter to his either wrong or insubordinate.
He played the part well. If you get to watch it again pay attention to his bearing in this scene with Ward Bond. It's my favorite in the film.
Thursday hardly bats an eye. Compare him to the General from Heartbreak Ridge who, in a reception line, tells Gunny Highway it's a honor to meet a MOH winner.
BTW agree Maureen O'Hara is a babe.
He played the part well. If you get to watch it again pay attention to his bearing in this scene with Ward Bond. It's my favorite in the film.
quote:
Lt. Col. Thursday: This Lt. O'Rourke - are you by chance related?
RSM Michael O'Rourke: Not by chance, sir, by blood. He's my son.
Lt. Col. Thursday: I see. How did he happen to get into West Point?
RSM Michael O'Rourke: It happened by presidential appointment, sir
Lt. Col. Thursday: Are you a former officer, O'Rourke?
RSM Michael O'Rourke: During the war, I was a major in the 69th New York regiment... The Irish Brigade, sir.
Lt. Col. Thursday: Still, it's been my impression that presidential appointments were restricted to sons of holders of the Medal of Honor.
RSM Michael O'Rourke: That is my impression, too, sir. Will that be all, sir?
Thursday hardly bats an eye. Compare him to the General from Heartbreak Ridge who, in a reception line, tells Gunny Highway it's a honor to meet a MOH winner.
BTW agree Maureen O'Hara is a babe.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 9:03 am to Mr. Misanthrope
I love that exchange. Ward Bond is great. You get the feeling he would love to deck Thursday whenever they are together.
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