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re: CPA firm's analysis shows higher taxes needed to support St George City
Posted on 12/21/14 at 9:55 am to LSURussian
Posted on 12/21/14 at 9:55 am to LSURussian
Also, the organizers and supporters of the City of St. George cannot arbitrarily increase property taxes, only the citizens of the City of St. George can increase their property taxes and sales taxes by a vote of the people, which the current City Parish administration if fighting very hard for them not to have a vote.
I have to go to Church now and pray for your soul and your twisted views on government.
I have to go to Church now and pray for your soul and your twisted views on government.
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Posted on 12/21/14 at 10:11 am to WindboyCajun
quote:Don't bother. JC and I are tight!
I have to go to Church now and pray for your soul and your twisted views on government.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:32 am to LSURussian
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I ask because I have not read the entire study so I don't know if that information is included in the study or not.
quote:Sounds to me like the second statement is an assumption on your part since you admittedly do not know what is in the report. What is it you implied earlier in this thread about people who make assumptions?
I have defended the accounting firm. They are a sound group who zealously defend their reputation.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:45 am to LSURussian
Surprise, the black pot who makes fun of IB for being obsessed with film tax subsidies has started a St. George thread.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 12:22 pm to ragincajun03
quote:Surprise, surprise...once again you don't contribute anything of substance to the topic. Instead you just call me out. I'm flattered. Thanks.
Surprise, the black pot who makes fun of IB for being obsessed with film tax subsidies has started a St. George thread.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 12:30 pm to Poodlebrain
quote:So you believe David Winkler and Bert Faulk established their firm's stellar professional reputation beginning with this recent report and not over the previous thirty-something years that they have been your competitor??
I ask because I have not read the entire study so I don't know if that information is included in the study or not.
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I have defended the accounting firm. They are a sound group who zealously defend their reputation.
Sounds to me like the second statement is an assumption on your part since you admittedly do not know what is in the report.
You're really stretching to make some type of point. I don't have to read a report they just released to know Faulk and Winkler have an excellent reputation in the business community.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 4:48 pm to LSURussian
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What about the majority of households which don't have children?
Here's one here.....no kids and live in St George
Signed the petition in the first week
I'd gladly pay any tax increase to have St George and would vote for incorporation assuming a doubling of my tax liability without hesitation.
I'm tired of the highest percentage of my tax payment going to the libraries ($255/year). The next highest percentage goes to school salaries ($170/year) and the total payment to the EBR school system is $1,072/year with absolutely zero return on that investment in my opinion.
If St George doesn't go to vote and win within the next year I will be selling my home and moving.
I own property in 6 different parishes and 4 different states and there is not another place as upside down as EBR.
To hear the John Delgados, LSURussians, Bubba plauches and the rest of the "my child is in the magnet program" crowd try to roadblock this effort is against the founding principles of the country and sickens me.
If they successfully scare people into not incorporating they can gladly find another person willing to continue funding their plunge into the abyss.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 5:41 pm to Buttoncollector
quote:What have I done to 'roadblock' the effort? I have consistently said I hope if the election is held, the sooner the better to get past this divisiveness.
To hear the John Delgados, LSURussians, Bubba plauches and the rest of the "my child is in the magnet program" crowd try to roadblock this effort
I do have a problem with the organizers lying about no new taxes would be needed just because they know if they told the truth about it the incorporation would not stand a chance.
And I'm glad an independent accounting firm has made an analysis and at least started the public debate about that issue. I look forward to reading Lionel Rainey The Third's promised "independent" analysis of the SG budget from their standpoint.
quote:What is against the principles of our country, wanting politicians to tell the truth about taxes?
is against the founding principles of the country
quote:I hope you get to feeling better....
and sickens me.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 6:49 pm to LSURussian
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I do have a problem with the organizers lying about no new taxes would be needed just because they know if they told the truth about it the incorporation would not stand a chance.
And I'm glad an independent accounting firm has made an analysis and at least started the public debate about that issue.
According to this "independent" study, paid for by groups who oppose SG, the city of SG Would have a 9 million dollar deficit, but ONLY IF they continue to fund 100% of the parish constitutional offices to the tune of 17+ million per year.
So according to this study, if SG pays for 30% or so of these offices, a fair share, they would still run a budget surplus. And that is assuming all of the other crazy assumptions they made in that study are correct.
Why do you refuse to acknowledge this?
This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 6:56 pm to LSURussian
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I do have a problem with the organizers lying
Who was it that insisted St George sales taxes would rise to 11% because of a bill in the state legislature?
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This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:03 pm to LSURussian
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What have I done to 'roadblock' the effort? I have consistently said I hope if the election is held, the sooner the better to get past this divisiveness.
Your continued bullying and aggressive anti-incorporation on this public forum is what I would consider an effort to stop the issue from even making it to a vote.
Your feigning innocence and cherry picking who is "honest" or what is "true" is disingenuous (I.e. An accounting firms study not being affected by the sponsor. This doesn't make it unethical).
I believe self-governance is a founding principle of this country and no matter how many times you smirk and act like you are fine with that, you are actively trying to suppress the vote.
The leaders for incorporation have to combat the scare tactics of the anti-s by highlighting the positives and giving what they hope to be the best case scenario. No one can predict with 100% certainty the effect. I'm fine with the risk.
I don't have the time to spend continuously debating point by point your inconsistent and tremendously biased views. I believe people should make up their minds with out absurd rhetoric on both sides.
I just wanted to throw it out there that I'm one vote, one taxpayer who vehemently disagrees with your take on the issue.
I am the guy who any community would wish they had as a productive member. I have a business based outside of EBR but because I reside in EBR I use a tremendous amount of EBR based businesses to support mine. If St George doesn't happen I'm choosing to move to a community willing to invest in the future, not in the dysfunctional past. When that happens I will make it a point to discontinue use of EBR based businesses.
Maybe I'm the only guy like me, I don't care but EBR supporters should consider the possibility of incorporation making the entire parish better over the next 30 years. It's a cut and dry situation for me, incorporation or I'm done.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:04 pm to Buttoncollector
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I'm tired of the highest percentage of my tax payment going to the libraries ($255/year). The next highest percentage goes to school salaries ($170/year) and the total payment to the EBR school system is $1,072/year with absolutely zero return on that investment in my opinion.
So let me get this straight. You want higher taxes so that the percentages spent on libraries and teacher safeties won't be as high?
Sounds smart.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:14 pm to Asgard Device
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So let me get this straight. You want higher taxes so that the percentages spent on libraries and teacher safeties won't be as high?
I don't think that the libraries should be receiving the highest individual percentage of my tax payment.
I don't think that the library should be receiving 150% of the next highest millage. That's not smart to me as it relates to a return on investment. I don't see this type of issue in other places I have property.
IMO EBR Schools should decide that they will pay teachers some considerable percentage higher than other districts to try to achieve some serious change. Instead they are bidding to have Wifi installed at all schools in the neighborhood of $5mil. However, IMO that school system is a lost cause.
This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:15 pm to Buttoncollector
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Maybe I'm the only guy like me, I don't care but EBR supporters should consider the possibility of incorporation making the entire parish better over the next 30 years. It's a cut and dry situation for me, incorporation or I'm done.
You're not the only one. The flight of working families from the parish began long ago. You or me leaving if incorporation fails probably won't be a blip on a downward trend already happening, but it still matters. We've been called many names since this effort began, but the families quietly moving to ascension and livingston, or further, speak louder than we ever could. Ryan Heck said long ago that SG may be the only thing to save BR from itself, and I couldn't agree more.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:19 pm to Sprocket46
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Ryan Heck said long ago that SG may be the only thing to save BR from itself, and I couldn't agree more.
Exactly how I feel
If this makes me a "Terrorist" in John Delgados mind than I will gladly wear that tag
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:36 pm to Buttoncollector
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I don't think that the libraries should be receiving the highest individual percentage of my tax payment.
That percentage will certainly go down when you're paying more taxes for other stuff.
I'm not sure that really is a big issue. I do think they probably spend a little much on it but the tax was voted on by the entire parish. Libraries seem less important now days, though. I'm not sure anything changes after the incorporation. The library system is separate.
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EBR Schools
Has nothing to do with incorporating St. George. Residents of St. George will still be in the EBR school district. Fact.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:43 pm to Asgard Device
The library issue is unique as technology as so rapidly obsoleted them. I use it as a sign of lack of priorities mainly.
On the day of incorporation of course. If St George forms I don't see how the formation of a new school district wouldn't have the support to be a reality.
Personally if I see my community make the choice to incorporate it would inspire me to get off the sidelines and vigorously use any influence I could generate to fight for the new school district. Not saying it would be significant but it would be more than signing a petition or posting on this board a few times.
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Has nothing to do with incorporating St. George. Residents of St. George will still be in the EBR school district. Fact.
On the day of incorporation of course. If St George forms I don't see how the formation of a new school district wouldn't have the support to be a reality.
Personally if I see my community make the choice to incorporate it would inspire me to get off the sidelines and vigorously use any influence I could generate to fight for the new school district. Not saying it would be significant but it would be more than signing a petition or posting on this board a few times.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:55 pm to Asgard Device
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Has nothing to do with incorporating St. George. Residents of St. George will still be in the EBR school district. Fact.
You can say it's a legally separate process, but it is quite closely related to incorporation, and the people who support it.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 8:04 pm to Buttoncollector
I will bet the farm that a school district that conforms to the boundaries of St George does not happen in the next 10 years.
Incorporation was the primary objective of Bodi White, LR3 LLC, Mike Walker, etc. They just used schools as a way to get people behind it/outraged.
Incorporation was the primary objective of Bodi White, LR3 LLC, Mike Walker, etc. They just used schools as a way to get people behind it/outraged.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 8:08 pm to Asgard Device
More BS. We tried for 2 years to get the SEBR school district formed and funded, and incorporation was never a consideration until we were told to form a city first.
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