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re: Big FOMC Meeting Today

Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:15 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:15 pm to
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So does this mean that the markets(US) are still going to be going up/down?
I can 100% guarantee the US markets will be going up/down in 2015.



ETA: But seriously, look for precious metals to take a drop when rates start to rise. Stocks, too, but not as much, percentage-wise, as metals.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 7:25 pm
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:18 pm to
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I can 100% guarantee the US markets will be going up/down in 2015.



I left myself open on that one.

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ETA: But seriously, look for precious metals to take a drop when rates start to rise. Stocks, too, but not as much, percentage-wise, as metals.


So how how is your '2014 prediction' thread going?

One guy whom I read a lot on another blog thinks silver will go down to $12/oz. Gold to about $900/oz.

The DOW at 18,500 & S&P at about 2200.

What thinkest thou?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 9:01 pm to
I'm doing pretty lousy in the prediction thread mostly because I missed the 10 yr and 30 yr bond rates so much. I'm within 5% on the Dow Jones but that's my only close one.

I would not be shocked to see gold & silver hit the levels you posted. But please don't put your money where my mouth is.
Posted by BennyAndTheInkJets
Middle of a layover
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:19 am to
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So does this mean that the markets(US) are still going to be going up/down?

If you're asking if markets are going to be more volatile in 2015 compared to the previous 6 years (past couple months excluded) I would completely agree. We've had what I believe is the largest wedge between economics and markets in US history via monetary policy (which I believe was needed), as QE winds down and the Fed hikes their target rate the wedge will slowly be removed (note this does not mean I believe interest rates across the curve will rise).
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Or is there going to be a market 'correction' for 2015?

For equities? I think it depends on data, valuations are in the fair/slightly rich area but that doesn't mean returns can't continue to go up. Most of the run-up in equities the past couple years has been multiple expansion, which would indicate that eventually valuations would correct. However, if we start getting stronger EPS growth then obviously valuations become more attractive. We've had ~11% return on the S&P so far this year, I think at most we'll get single digit positive returns with the higher range of my probability distribution in the low negative single digit range. This is predicated on a mid-2015 rate hike, always remember the #1 rule of investing regardless of what asset class you're in... DON'T FIGHT THE FED. EVER. You will never win.
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I won't mention any names but one guy(nationally syndicated radio) in the finance world is predicting a huge market 'correction' at least by mid 2015.

There have been literally hundreds (potentially thousands) of very good financial professionals calling for a huge market correction in '10, '11, '12, '13, and '14. I thought equities would correct in 2013 for sure, then we had +20-30% returns.
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And no, this isn't that bald headed guy who is 'mad'.

Sorry, you didn't narrow it down at all
Posted by BennyAndTheInkJets
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:53 am to
Separate note, who the frick keeps down voting every post by Russian?
Posted by Blakely Bimbo
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:53 am to
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DON'T FIGHT THE FED. EVER. You will never win.


AMEN!

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The Fed will provide a total of $300bn under the program, with the first such offering completed on Dec-8th. It was a 28-day "secured deposit" paying 10bp (annualized) for $50bn.


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At the same time the US Treasury has issued a larger than usual amount of treasury bills recently. Since the Term RRP with the Fed is effectively the same as purchasing a treasury bill (particularly at 10bp), the Fed's $300bn program (combined with the existing facilities) effectively "crowded out" the bills market. This ended up pushing short-term treasury yields higher - while yields on longer-dated treasuries kept falling (see chart).


Sober Look
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 12/18/14 at 9:01 am to
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Separate note, who the frick keeps down voting every post by Russian?
I have some "admirers" from the Rant who stalk me from board to board.

This topic was discussed in the Money Board thread linked below from earlier this week when another poster asked the same question you did.

Several posts by two of my stalkers were whacked from the thread but you can get the drift of the situation from the other remaining posts by ell which weren't deleted.

Just ignore it like I do.

LINK

ETA: One of my stalkers even has a picture of me as his avi. Pretty obsessed, don't you think?
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 9:10 am
Posted by BennyAndTheInkJets
Middle of a layover
Member since Nov 2010
5600 posts
Posted on 12/18/14 at 9:28 am to
The December term facility operations were an absolute blessing from the Fed. They actually listened to market participants about how bad year-end would be if they just kept the overnight reverse repo facility as is. Now money funds and others can invest over year-end with the Fed and leave dealers with excess slack for the rest of the market to get invested as well at (hopefully) positive/non-zero rates.
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