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re: Louisiana Hunter Killed in Mississippi
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:03 am to AlxTgr
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:03 am to AlxTgr
quote:
know who not to ever hunt with on this board.
Your insults hurt no one but do paint a picture of your integrity. Public land is exactly that, public. You don't have to be hunting to enjoy public land. It is up to the hunter to know this and indentify his target.
Private is and should be treated the same.
If his bullet strays and goes hit a kid in a schoolyard a mile away, the hunter is still liable for his bullet...sorry you feel like if it's not in you barrel anymore, it's not your problem.
You would be dumb at best to argue, especially with someone who is sitting at a table in the criminal defense law firm his close family runs.
Feel free to carry on with you idiocy.
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:09 am to GeeOH
quote:That was not an insult.
Your insults hurt no one but do paint a picture of your integrity.
quote:I am with you so far.
Public land is exactly that, public. You don't have to be hunting to enjoy public land. It is up to the hunter to know this and indentify his target.
Private is and should be treated the same.
quote:You really should not comment on this stuff. You have no idea what you are talking about.
If his bullet strays and goes hit a kid in a schoolyard a mile away, the hunter is still liable for his bullet...sorry you feel like if it's not in you barrel anymore, it's not your problem.
quote:What?
You would be dumb at best to argue, especially with someone who is sitting at a table in the criminal defense law firm his close family runs.
quote:You are making zero sense.
Feel free to carry on with you idiocy.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:11 am to GeeOH
quote:
the hunter is still liable for his bullet...sorry you feel like if it's not in you barrel anymore, it's not your problem.
No one is saying that you might not be liable . . . please understand that there is a difference between civil liability and criminal punishment.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:11 am to GeeOH
quote:Uh, no.
If you broke a law in the process of unintentionally killing a human, YES you are going to be prosecuted for negligent homicide.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:11 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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with a high-powered rifle
Just dropping in to say this is a redundant term and is stupid.
Carry on...
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:12 am to bapple
quote:I disagree strenuously.
with a high-powered rifle
Just dropping in to say this is a redundant term and is stupid.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:16 am to GeeOH
quote:
If you broke a law in the process of unintentionally killing a human, YES you are going to be prosecuted for negligent homicide.
I just need to stop posting on threads like this.
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So we protect mistaken fricking crane identity, but not human?
Where did it say he accidentally shot a whooping crane?
Only a small portion of "intentional" acts are illegal. I intentionally typed on this keyboard. If you keel over with a stroke because you can't understand certain distinctions, that doesn't make me a murderer.
Since you are fond of internet searching, maybe you should research the difference between an intentional act and the intent required for certain crimes.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:17 am to bapple
quote:
Just dropping in to say this is a redundant term and is stupid.
Ehhh, my .22 is a rifle, not necessarily a high-powered one.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:19 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
GeeOH pretty much covered it, but how the frick can you shoot a person thinking it is a deer.
Do deer stomp around and rustle a bunch of shite? Do deer walk on two legs with swinging arms ?
Do deer stomp around and rustle a bunch of shite? Do deer walk on two legs with swinging arms ?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:19 am to Reames239
Obviously, you think it's a deer.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:24 am to GeeOH
quote:
You would be dumb at best to argue, especially with someone who is sitting at a table in the criminal defense law firm his close family runs.
Or maybe you arguing with two real lawyers not a close family relative of one.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:24 am to AlxTgr
If you are that stupid, and have that much wanton disregard for what you may be shooting, you should be prosecuted in some manner, IMHO. I agree with GeeoH.
Loss of hunting privileges is the bare minimum, IMHO.
Loss of hunting privileges is the bare minimum, IMHO.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:26 am to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:It almost never happens.
If you are that stupid, and have that much wanton disregard for what you may be shooting, you should be prosecuted in some manner, IMHO. I agree with GeeoH.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:28 am to Reames239
quote:
GeeOH pretty much covered it, but how the frick can you shoot a person thinking it is a deer.
Do deer stomp around and rustle a bunch of shite? Do deer walk on two legs with swinging arms ?
First off, you shouldn't. You should know your target.
Secondly, it happens. Your mind can play tricks on you and your adrenaline can make you think you see something that you do not. People need to learn to take an extra breath to try to make sure they are seeing what they are seeing.
Proof of this is on this board. How many people have seen dead bears on the interstate, red wolves, black panthers? Try to argue with them that they didn't. They KNOW what they saw.
How many times have people said they heard things following them in the woods? I know at least one person has admitted wheeling around and firing behind them in the dark because they "knew" something was there. OBers talk about going out armed to the teeth to just to pick berries.
Hell, how many 300lb hogs are there in this world. The OB has seen over one billion of them killed.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:31 am to Bleeding purple
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Or maybe you arguing with two real lawyers not a close family relative of one.
Hey, I'll admit that I only took one criminal class in law school and it was my worst grade.
But I did pass two bar exams so two states thought I was ok.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:34 am to TigerDeacon
You brought up a stupid car analogy, I showed you were wrong in the case you brought up.
The crane is to show how we treat "accidentally" shooting protected wildlife, by don't do the same for humans, or at least shouldn't in your eyes.
Alxtigr, think what you like. But as states, I'm at a table eating lunch with 2 criminal defense attorneys in my family who are laughing at your attempt to sound legit. You are wrong. Sorry.
There are statutes and they are getting tighter by the day.
I'm against no one here. I'm FOR the safety of hunting. hunting grounds are shrinking and this is becoming more and more common. the law will catch up sooner rather than later. You are liable for everything you do and it's consequences
The crane is to show how we treat "accidentally" shooting protected wildlife, by don't do the same for humans, or at least shouldn't in your eyes.
Alxtigr, think what you like. But as states, I'm at a table eating lunch with 2 criminal defense attorneys in my family who are laughing at your attempt to sound legit. You are wrong. Sorry.
There are statutes and they are getting tighter by the day.
I'm against no one here. I'm FOR the safety of hunting. hunting grounds are shrinking and this is becoming more and more common. the law will catch up sooner rather than later. You are liable for everything you do and it's consequences
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:40 am to GeeOH
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You brought up a stupid car analogy, I showed you were wrong in the case you brought up.
No you didn't.
quote:
The crane is to show how we treat "accidentally" shooting protected wildlife, by don't do the same for humans, or at least shouldn't in your eyes.
No showing by you that it was "accidental." Guy pled guilty.
quote:
Alxtigr, think what you like. But as states, I'm at a table eating lunch with 2 criminal defense attorneys in my family who are laughing at your attempt to sound legit. You are wrong. Sorry.
BULL shite!
quote:
There are statutes and they are getting tighter by the day.
Yes there "are" statutes.
quote:
I'm against no one here. I'm FOR the safety of hunting.
You are for ignorance and against common sense.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:47 am to Sid in Lakeshore
There is not one word in the article that notes the shooter mistook the deceased for a game animal. In fact the article is very vague. It does note both were hunting on private property, where each would be assumed to have a reasonable understanding of what is behind their intended targets. It further notes, that neither hunter was wise enough to notify everyone with access to the property they would be hunting.
Since one was shot it is clear that one or both of the hunters wandered within the effective range of the hunter. The one shot was clearly on the move but the other hunter may have been too.
There is no indication of how the gun was fired. Weather intentionally or accidental discharge but the article does tend to lean toward the shot being purposeful.
So based on the article, let me propose a similar situation and you tell me who is at fault.
Sunday a 20 yr old male was killed at shooting range by employee of the range. The range is closed on Sundays but allows employees to shoot on Sunday. Both the shooter and the deceased worked at the range but both walked to the location and neither had knowledge the other was there that day. The 20 yr old was found on the rifle range with a bag of spent lead. The shooter, who was there to sight in his rifle, fired only one shot that morning. All indications are the shooting was accidental.
Since one was shot it is clear that one or both of the hunters wandered within the effective range of the hunter. The one shot was clearly on the move but the other hunter may have been too.
There is no indication of how the gun was fired. Weather intentionally or accidental discharge but the article does tend to lean toward the shot being purposeful.
quote:.
Newman says the shooting happened at a hunting club in the northwest corner of Franklin County off Highway 33 North.
Newman said Saturday that both men belong to the same hunting club, but they were hunting separately. He says neither one apparently realized the other was in the area.
Investigators say Kennedy was not wearing protective orange hunting gear. Newman says Kennedy's vest was found on a nearby hunting stand.
The sheriff says evidence suggests the shooting was an accident
So based on the article, let me propose a similar situation and you tell me who is at fault.
Sunday a 20 yr old male was killed at shooting range by employee of the range. The range is closed on Sundays but allows employees to shoot on Sunday. Both the shooter and the deceased worked at the range but both walked to the location and neither had knowledge the other was there that day. The 20 yr old was found on the rifle range with a bag of spent lead. The shooter, who was there to sight in his rifle, fired only one shot that morning. All indications are the shooting was accidental.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:24 pm to GeeOH
quote:
I'm at a table eating lunch with 2 criminal defense attorneys in my family who are laughing at your attempt to sound legit. You are wrong. Sorry.
You sir, win the dumbest post of the day award. You are telling an excellent attorney that he is wrong, and you know so because you are sitting with two attorneys. The best part is your lack of knowledge keeps you from even having a clue what he is saying.
I'm out, going have lunch with a cardiologist, grandfather needs a coronary bypass and I think I want to do it this afternoon.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:31 pm to Langston
Im not here to argue what our actual laws state. I am here to say the law of common sense tells me that if you shoot a human while "deer hunting", you should be charged with negligent homicide
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