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26 of 119 Found Improperly Detained
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:34 am
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:34 am
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Twenty-six of the CIA's 119 detainees "did not meet the ... standard for detention," according to the report.
One of these improperly detained individuals, Abu Hudhaifa, endured 66 hours of standing sleep deprivation and ice water baths "before being released because the CIA discovered he was likely not the person he was believed to be." A second "intellectually challenged" individual was detained and used "as leverage" against a family member. Two more spent 24 hours chained in the standing sleep deprivation position, until CIA Headquarters "confirmed that the detainees were former CIA sources," who had previously reached out to the CIA to try to share intelligence.
ABC News' Martha Raddatz, Ely Brown, Ali Weinberg, Luis Martinez, Jeff Zeleny, Cindy Smith, Stephanie Smith, Avery Miller, Arlette Saenz, Robin Gradison, Ariane DeVogue, and Alex Mallin contributed to this report.
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Seems like a lot of torture supporters just kinda skip over this and say something like "ohh well, we can't get them all right".
This is a 20% error rate........and we're talking about detaining and torturing people here. Is there a percentage at which this becomes unacceptable or is 75% ok as long as we get a few scraps of good intel?
At what point do we stop being the good guys? Does anyone care?
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:36 am to AUbused
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At what point do we stop being the good guys?
The day Obama was elected.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:36 am to AUbused
I'm sorry, but I have no issue with this. If all this save just ONE innocent life, then it was worth it.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:41 am to AUbused
quote:It would be awesome if mistakes aren't made during times of war. Do you feel the same outrage about Obama's drone war? Far more innocent people have been killed than the 26 detainees that were tortured and still alive.
Seems like a lot of torture supporters just kinda skip over this and say something like "ohh well, we can't get them all right".
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:41 am to bamarep
No problem with it. I bet if any of these progressives had a loved one in peril and could only save them with information from someone they had chained up, the blow torches would come out fast
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:46 am to bamarep
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I'm sorry, but I have no issue with this. If all this save just ONE innocent life, then it was worth it.
What about the 26 innocent lives identified in the report?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:46 am to AUbused
Don't be naive, the US has done things like this since its founding. It just didn't get blasted nationwide because of partisan politics and media oneupsmanship.
In the midst of war, mistakes happen, they always do. The dems knew this would incite anger amongst people who lead comfortable lives never having to be responsible for a nation's defense and watch the sausage get made.
And about not being the good guys, don't be such an easily lead nave. Listen to the navy seal's story about the raid on Bin Laden's compound and how, in the stress of that mission the Americans made sure to place the children encountered during the raid with females also in the compound.
In the midst of war, mistakes happen, they always do. The dems knew this would incite anger amongst people who lead comfortable lives never having to be responsible for a nation's defense and watch the sausage get made.
And about not being the good guys, don't be such an easily lead nave. Listen to the navy seal's story about the raid on Bin Laden's compound and how, in the stress of that mission the Americans made sure to place the children encountered during the raid with females also in the compound.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:49 am to AUbused
If anything, the fact that the CIA bothered to pursue confirmation of identities is a good thing. How easy would it have been just to make them disappear, or lop their heads off? How many countries in a time of war would even bother to care?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:50 am to Bamadiver
None would care. Only the evil USA.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:55 am to AUbused
Maybe they will start policing themselves now and when a terrorist shows up in their back yard, instead of turning a blind eye, they turn his arse in.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:56 am to AUbused
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Seems like a lot of torture supporters just kinda skip over this and say something like "ohh well, we can't get them all right".
You're right. Obama's way is better. Drone them to death, no interrogation, no intelligence gathering possible. And if they're not the right guy? They won't be around to complain to anyone about it.
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as long as we get a few scraps
Like Bin Laden?
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At what point do we stop being the good guys? Does anyone care?
When we start ACTUALLY torturing people - like pulling out fingernails, flaying, boiling alive, breaking bones, burning, etc.
Not keeping them up for days, thermostat adjustments, and other stuff we subject our men and women in uniform to.
Waterboarding is at the line, but at some point, you have to do what you have to do.
I hate that these "innocent" cats got caught up in this, but it is a war. I feel bad for all the Japanese civilians who got killed in the 1940s. Doesn't make us the bad guys, though.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:57 am to bamarep
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I'm sorry, but I have no issue with this. If all this save just ONE innocent life, then it was worth it.
One innocent American life is more valuable than 26 innocent non-American lives?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:01 am to AUbused
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This is a 20% error rate........
There was a 100% mortality rate of those 3,000 that died on 9/11/01.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:02 am to AUbused
Ice water and no sleep?
This should not be called torture. I don't know what to call it perhaps severe interrogation techniques.
And if that rate is true its very poor work by someone and should not be the norm.
This should not be called torture. I don't know what to call it perhaps severe interrogation techniques.
And if that rate is true its very poor work by someone and should not be the norm.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:03 am to GetCocky11
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One innocent American life is more valuable than 26 innocent non-American lives?
Yes
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:03 am to Homesick Tiger
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There was a 100% mortality rate of those 3,000 that died on 9/11/01.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:07 am to GetCocky11
It says 26 didn't meet criteria. That's not the same as innocent.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:08 am to GetCocky11
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
When the first wrong murders 3,000 people and causes all the damage that it did from that wrong, I lose absolutely no sleep of the second alleged wrong.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:10 am to AUbused
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AUbused
Those detained were of the wrong color and religion.
No cares were given.
But, there was a great speech by McCain yesterday on the Senate floor about our policy:
FoxNews for the conservative idealogues
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:15 am to AUbused
Why does the CIA have any authority to detain anyone? Anyone detained is either a prisoner of war, a suspected war criminal or a suspected spy. During WWII all of the above were detained by the military or the FBI. Why must the CIA be involved in anything except the analysis of information obtained by the military or law enforcement?
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