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re: Help me pick mine and the GF's new carry guns

Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:07 am to
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:07 am to
I don't do any kinds of tests. At the range I use Winchester 230 hard balls

in my magazine while carrying, I keep 185 jhp
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
13881 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:16 am to
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I vote none of those


Any of these would be much better:
quote:

Single Stacks-
Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9
Springfield Amory XDS 9
Sig Sauer p938


quote:

chick - a small hammerless revolver,

sure, buy it and let her shoot it a few times. Don't worry, you'll be able to sell it and get some of your money back......
Posted by fawnslayer
Member since Feb 2007
38 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:21 am to
If you get her a semi automatic pistol you better make sure she can work the slide with no problem, becasue "IF" it jams and she doesn't have the strength in her hands to rack the slide....she will be in a bad situation. I would either get a 357 that I also shoot 38sp in or just a 38sp.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:28 am to
i watched my MIL, SIL, and wife all struggle furiously, for some reason none of them could do it consistently
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13575 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:37 am to
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If you get her a semi automatic pistol you better make sure she can work the slide with no problem, becasue "IF" it jams and she doesn't have the strength in her hands to rack the slide


Racking the slide is 95% technique/ 5% strength. With only 30 mins of practice, any woman can rack the slide on any pistol every single tie if taught properly.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11891 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:21 am to
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Racking the slide is 95% technique/ 5% strength. With only 30 mins of practice, any woman can rack the slide on any pistol every single tie if taught properly.


i agree for the most part. Tiny guns (esp. 9mm) can still be tough. But a proper technique makes it infinitely easier.

If you use an overhand method, you are engaging large muscle groups (shoulders, chest, arms) and can use BOTH hands to push the slide (push in opposite directions). When using the "fingertip" method as I call it (some call it "slingshot"), you are relying on the strength of your forearms. Most women have trouble with that.

Proper racking technique:



Improper:



This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 10:49 am
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:40 am to
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If either of you has to use one of your guns do you have the name and number of an attorney you can call right then? Day or night?


3 downvotes?

Not trying to be a broken record but most people who carry haven't given one thought to who they will use as a defense attorney should they be involved in a shooting, much less have the info for one they could call at 2AM from a police station.

Anyway, last time I mention it in this thread. Carry on (no pun intended).
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 10:42 am
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81627 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:43 am to
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Racking the slide is 95% technique/ 5% strength. With only 30 mins of practice, any woman can rack the slide on any pistol every single tie if taught properly.

Nope. Not all slides are the same. My wife could not even get close to racking her little Beretta.
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
13881 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:47 am to
I agree. That overhand method doesn't work very well on a Bodyguard .380 or LCP. There's not enough room for your hand.
Posted by Boats n Hose
NOLA
Member since Apr 2011
37248 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:50 am to
The amount of overthrinking that goes into these carry guns makes my left testicle hurt
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11891 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:51 am to
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I agree. That overhand method doesn't work very well on a Bodyguard .380 or LCP. There's not enough room for your hand.



It's not impossible. You just have to use less of your hand. If you have to, use your fingers to grasp it. Just make sure you still use and overhand method and it will still be much easier.
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
13881 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:51 am to
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The amount of overthrinking that goes into these carry guns makes my left testicle hurt


Absolutely, you should try working in gun sales...
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13575 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:04 am to
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Nope. Not all slides are the same. My wife could not even get close to racking her little Beretta


No offense, but she's prlly doing it wrong, or not as efficiently as she possibly could. I disagree about the subcompacts as well. They are easy to rack if you do it properly. Yes, they are more difficult than a full size gun, but that doesnt mean they are hard to rack.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81627 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:16 am to
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I disagree about the subcompacts as well.
Not all subcompacts are the same. You are objectively wrong.
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They are easy to rack if you do it properly. Yes, they are more difficult than a full size gun, but that doesnt mean they are hard to rack.
They are not easy to rack.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:22 am to
I think it's healthy

The more you know


These little spats promote weapons education IMO. That's good since it's always the people who don't know shite about guns that want to take them.

Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:23 am to
My semi automatics have almost zero play between the slide and the frame. My wife can't rack it to save her life
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:25 am to
I rack pointed down with my thumb and index. sometimes the "proper way"


I didn't know I wasn't supposed to do this
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:26 am to
I've thought about Texas law shield or whatever they call it. I guess the legal fees for grand jury hearings are expensive
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
13881 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:31 am to
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I rack pointed down with my thumb and index


At least that keeps you from chambering your pinky finger.



Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13575 posts
Posted on 12/11/14 at 11:40 am to
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Not all subcompacts are the same. You are objectively wrong.


Well of course, an XD9 Sub is going to easier to rack than an LCP380 because of the thickness of the slide. That still doesnt mean it's hard if you use the proper form.

quote:

They are not easy to rack.


My GF is 5'4" 125lbs, and had never handled a gun before she met me 3 years ago. She can rack the slide on my 1911 without the hammer cocked easily and repeatedly. She can rack (and strip and clean) her glock 19 effortlessly. We shot a Kimber solo9 that belongs to her mom this weekend as well as a P938 and she racked those easily the first try with no problems at all. It is not a difficult thing to do if you practice it. A woman should not own a firearm much less carry one if she isnt constantly practicing/operating it. If she constantly practices it, then racking the slide should be irrelevant because it is a simple thing to do. Practice.
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