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How is Big 12 adding Memphis/Cincy any different than B1G adding Marylnd/Rutgers
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:53 pm
Big 10 added two weak teams with not much football success or history and all of a sudden Ohio State and other Big 10 teams get credit for beating them even though the conference as a whole did nothing meaningful out of conference.
I keep hearing how the Big 12 adding Memphis/Cincy/Colorado State/UNLV/New Mexico/BYU/Boise State/Houston/SMU/etc. would water down the league but how is it any different than what the Big 10 did. It sure as hell didn't punish Ohio State who got all this credit for beating Big 10 teams that are paper tigers because the league has no non-conference results to back up the supposed strength of the league.
I keep hearing how the Big 12 adding Memphis/Cincy/Colorado State/UNLV/New Mexico/BYU/Boise State/Houston/SMU/etc. would water down the league but how is it any different than what the Big 10 did. It sure as hell didn't punish Ohio State who got all this credit for beating Big 10 teams that are paper tigers because the league has no non-conference results to back up the supposed strength of the league.
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:54 pm to goldennugget
Goldennugget thread=auto down vote
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:55 pm to goldennugget
All part of tScript
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:56 pm to goldennugget
Every league has "paper tigers"...the SEC added Missouri and A&M. Not exactly football power houses. Christ bottom feeder Indiana beat Missouri
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:57 pm to goldennugget
It isn't any different.
Whether people want to admit it or not, this is the second time in the past 5 years not having a championship game has screwed the Big 12.
Adding these two teams won't dilute anything, and won't make the conference weaker. The addition of a conference championship will help the conference winner though.
Whether people want to admit it or not, this is the second time in the past 5 years not having a championship game has screwed the Big 12.
Adding these two teams won't dilute anything, and won't make the conference weaker. The addition of a conference championship will help the conference winner though.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:58 pm to CunningLinguist
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Goldennugget thread=auto down vote
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:58 pm to herbstreit4
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Christ bottom feeder Indiana beat Missouri
They still won the east 2 straight years
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:01 pm to goldennugget
Maryland and Rutgers are flagship state universities. Memphis and Cincinatti just aren't.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:01 pm to LosLobos111
That's his point.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:16 pm to goldennugget
Maryland athletic revenue: $63,714,470
Rutgers athletic revenue: $78,989,475
Memphis athletic revenue: $46,346,285
Cincy athletic revenue: $61,915,431
Maryland football attendance: 41,278
Rutgers football attendance: 46,549
Memphis football attendance: 28,537
Cincy football attendance: 31,771
Maryland: state's flagship school
Rutgers: state's flagship school
Memphis: NOT state's flagship school
Cincy: NOT state's flagship school
Maryland US News academic rank: 62
Rutgers US News academic rank: 70
Memphis US News academic rank: NR
Cincy US News academic rank: 129
I could go on...
Rutgers athletic revenue: $78,989,475
Memphis athletic revenue: $46,346,285
Cincy athletic revenue: $61,915,431
Maryland football attendance: 41,278
Rutgers football attendance: 46,549
Memphis football attendance: 28,537
Cincy football attendance: 31,771
Maryland: state's flagship school
Rutgers: state's flagship school
Memphis: NOT state's flagship school
Cincy: NOT state's flagship school
Maryland US News academic rank: 62
Rutgers US News academic rank: 70
Memphis US News academic rank: NR
Cincy US News academic rank: 129
I could go on...
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:21 pm to goldennugget
Maryland and Rutgers are AAU universities with an extremely strong research profile that fits into the ethos of the Big 10. They may not have extensive football histories, but the rest of their athletic programs are a good fit. Plus, their football teams are certainly competitive with the current level of play in the Big 10. Most importantly, they nailed down important TV markets in Washington/Baltimore and NJ/Philly.
You're right that some of the teams that have been mentioned for the Big 12 (like BYU, UCF, and Boise) wouldn't water down the league in terms of football. However, there are additional considerations. Do the current Big 12 schools want to send their non-revenue sports to Provo, Boise, and Orlando? That's a lot of money. UCF and Memphis may provide an entry into an excellent recruiting market, but few of the other schools do. Can the other universities bring anything to the table in terms of research prestige? We like to pretend this doesn't matter, but it matters a great deal to the presidents and boards approving these conference moves. Some of the universities for the Big 12 that have been mentioned provide a strong undergraduate education, but none have a strong graduate school/research reputation.
These decisions have a lot of moving variables. That's why the Big 12 is reluctant to move immediately.
You're right that some of the teams that have been mentioned for the Big 12 (like BYU, UCF, and Boise) wouldn't water down the league in terms of football. However, there are additional considerations. Do the current Big 12 schools want to send their non-revenue sports to Provo, Boise, and Orlando? That's a lot of money. UCF and Memphis may provide an entry into an excellent recruiting market, but few of the other schools do. Can the other universities bring anything to the table in terms of research prestige? We like to pretend this doesn't matter, but it matters a great deal to the presidents and boards approving these conference moves. Some of the universities for the Big 12 that have been mentioned provide a strong undergraduate education, but none have a strong graduate school/research reputation.
These decisions have a lot of moving variables. That's why the Big 12 is reluctant to move immediately.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:35 pm to MikeyFL
How could anybody compare to city Universities to the two state Universities? All the above facts are spot on. Cable TVS for Rutgers and Maryland expand the Big ten foot print. hell I got the Big ten network near New York City due to Rutgers and yes I watched. Couldn't get SEC here though
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:41 pm to MikeyFL
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Maryland and Rutgers are AAU universities with an extremely strong research profile that fits into the ethos of the Big 10. They may not have extensive football histories, but the rest of their athletic programs are a good fit. Plus, their football teams are certainly competitive with the current level of play in the Big 10. Most importantly, they nailed down important TV markets in Washington/Baltimore and NJ/Philly.
MikeyFl,
This very well stated.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:42 pm to Muahahaha
Muhahah You covered it exactly
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:47 pm to goldennugget
Memphis was at the bottom of CUSA until very recently. Their program isn't on the level of Cincinnati Rutgers Maryland etc.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:10 pm to goldennugget
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How is Big 12 adding Memphis/Cincy any different than B1G adding Marylnd/Rutgers
Because the B1G has a way to monetize the region of Maryland/Rutgers via its own network. The Big 12 lacks a network to do the same, so population footprint doesn't help that league.
Brass tacks it will cost the Big 12 money unlike the B1G.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:19 pm to rolltide32
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Memphis was at the bottom of CUSA until very recently. Their program isn't on the level of Cincinnati
They did beat Cincinnati 41-14 this year.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:23 pm to LosLobos111
Add BYU and Cincy, and you'll have a better conference.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 4:40 pm to Muahahaha
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MikeyFl,
This very well stated.
I agree. Unfortunately the OP probably won't care about these facts.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 4:43 pm to buckeye_vol
Just part of the script
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