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Reason for the decline
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:32 am
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:32 am
This is prob. going to be long...just a warning.
I've seen all the comments about the reason for the downfall this season. Rarely do I see anyone mention our main problem, which is poor drafting.
When we won the Superbowl, we had key contributors on rookie contracts, which means we DRAFTED key contributors. We no longer have that, with the exception of Armstead, Jordan, and Cooks (I may be leaving someone out).
We cant expect to build a quality team through free agency. This must be done in the draft.
The front office has shite the bed when it comes to drafting and has put us in a tremendously bad position going forward. Why this team doesn't draft for the future confuses the hell out of me.
Let me give you an example...
Next year our horrific guard tandem will eat up a ton of cap space. What have we done to prepare for life after Grubbs and Evans? We have done nothing. For those that say Lelito, then that question applies to C.
Rather than wasting draft picks on linebackers or safeties that will never see the field, why are we not drafting with the following year in mind? We should have drafted an interior lineman last year (the kid from LSU comes to mind as a perfect pick. 3rd round I believe).
For those that continue to blame the money paid to Brees as the reason for the decline, look no further than the draft. Look at our free agent acquisitions. Check out how much money Hawthorne is making. Check out how much Grubbs is making. Check out Byrd. The list goes on and on.
This also applies to being too loyal to many of the veterans. Let's face it, Colston has been horrible. I mean horrible. It's time to let him go. This happened with Will Smith, Vilma, and yes, even Pierre Thomas. We need to find some younger players to develop.
If the team wants to get back to winning, they have to start drafting better and do a better job of planning for the future. As in, draft a player for the following year basically.
I've seen all the comments about the reason for the downfall this season. Rarely do I see anyone mention our main problem, which is poor drafting.
When we won the Superbowl, we had key contributors on rookie contracts, which means we DRAFTED key contributors. We no longer have that, with the exception of Armstead, Jordan, and Cooks (I may be leaving someone out).
We cant expect to build a quality team through free agency. This must be done in the draft.
The front office has shite the bed when it comes to drafting and has put us in a tremendously bad position going forward. Why this team doesn't draft for the future confuses the hell out of me.
Let me give you an example...
Next year our horrific guard tandem will eat up a ton of cap space. What have we done to prepare for life after Grubbs and Evans? We have done nothing. For those that say Lelito, then that question applies to C.
Rather than wasting draft picks on linebackers or safeties that will never see the field, why are we not drafting with the following year in mind? We should have drafted an interior lineman last year (the kid from LSU comes to mind as a perfect pick. 3rd round I believe).
For those that continue to blame the money paid to Brees as the reason for the decline, look no further than the draft. Look at our free agent acquisitions. Check out how much money Hawthorne is making. Check out how much Grubbs is making. Check out Byrd. The list goes on and on.
This also applies to being too loyal to many of the veterans. Let's face it, Colston has been horrible. I mean horrible. It's time to let him go. This happened with Will Smith, Vilma, and yes, even Pierre Thomas. We need to find some younger players to develop.
If the team wants to get back to winning, they have to start drafting better and do a better job of planning for the future. As in, draft a player for the following year basically.
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:35 am to blueboxer1119
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Rarely do I see anyone mention our main problem, which is poor drafting.
There's been plenty of discussion about that on here ever since this last draft ended, but I agree.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:02 pm to blueboxer1119
Breezy doesn't have that bail out in Sproles anymore. Whenever he got pressure he could go to Sproles. Sproles made the offense click because the defense was so worried about him he created opportunity for all the other receivers. Now without him they are easy to cover causing Brees to hold the ball longer. Just a bad decision to get rid of him. They have to find a replacement like him. Cadet is not the answer. Maybe, Rainey if he is a FA. He seems like Sproles 2.0.
The defense, well, that's another story.
But they def need to draft a cover corner in the first round. A LB and DLineman also.
The defense, well, that's another story.
But they def need to draft a cover corner in the first round. A LB and DLineman also.This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:14 pm to tubucoco
Sproles was on the Super Bowl roster? News to me.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:17 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
No, but Bush was. They both were a security blanket for Brees because they turn a short gain from a check-down to a huge YAC play. Sproles also helped set up mismatches for inside routes, often run by Graham, because defenses had to guard against getting burned from those plays.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:19 pm to tubucoco
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Now without him they are easy to cover causing Brees to hold the ball longer.
While I don't disagree with the rest, he's actually getting rid of the ball quicker this season
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:19 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
The offensive line has destroyed the offense. Bottom line. Our WRs now with an aging Colston and lack of the deep threat (ala Henderson) has forced Brees under incredible pressure. The lack of explosion has forced us to become methodical in our play-calling. Longer drives increase the likliood of mistakes. Combined with a sporadic running game, we are luck we are still above average.
Our defense sucks. It sucks arse. And because our offense isn't a scoring machine, it allows our opponents to play balanced against us. We were not good on defense in other years either, but our offense forced our opponents to become more one-dimensional allowing us to become more opportunistic when it came to forcing turnovers, which created short fields for the offense to exploit. Our offense made the defense much better than they really were...now, the offense, while still above average, is not a juggernaut.
Our defense sucks. It sucks arse. And because our offense isn't a scoring machine, it allows our opponents to play balanced against us. We were not good on defense in other years either, but our offense forced our opponents to become more one-dimensional allowing us to become more opportunistic when it came to forcing turnovers, which created short fields for the offense to exploit. Our offense made the defense much better than they really were...now, the offense, while still above average, is not a juggernaut.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:20 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
Do you see anywhere I wrote that?? That hasn't shite to do with Sproles abilty anyways. Him and Bush were playmakers. Sproles was even more effective than Bush as mentioned by bountyhunter.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:24 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:yeah, now he is because he has no blockin. But early on during the season he was holding the ball looking for someone to come open. They were struggling bad then.
he's actually getting rid of the ball quicker this season.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:27 pm to blueboxer1119
So you're saying one way to build a good team is through good drafting, interesting concept.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:51 pm to CM84
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So your saying one way to build a good team is through good drafting, interesting concept.
I'm saying that we need to enter the 2015 draft trying to get players for 2016.
We need to look at contracts expiring and huge cap hits when drafting to help decide on players. There is no reason for not drafting an interior OL last draft. None. The FO knew the cap #s on our 2 guards and did nothing to prepare us.
I'll give you another example...
Remember the guard from Clemson that tore his ACL in a saints pre-draft workout? He was supposed to be a top guard in this class. I think he went in the 4th round. To SF. They saw the value of stashing him on IR for a year and they got a steal. They were (crazy thought) planning for the future.
Now we have such ridiculous contracts on the books (Byrd was a massive mistake), we are in a world of trouble.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:20 pm to tubucoco
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yeah, now he is because he has no blockin. But early on during the season he was holding the ball looking for someone to come open. They were struggling bad then.
2011 - 2.66 seconds
First 3 games of this year - 2.60 seconds
But it was on a downward trend
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:22 pm to blueboxer1119
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There is no reason for not drafting an interior OL last draft. None.
I don't disagree, but we had no idea that Evans was going to have this kind of drop off. For all we know, they had players they wanted and were taken before us
Guard isn't exactly a position that you need to groom or develop either.
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. I think he went in the 4th round. To SF. They saw the value of stashing him on IR for a year and they got a steal.
They had a billion draft picks
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 3:10 pm to blueboxer1119
They're actually drafting so far ahead they drafted Stanley Jean Baptiste 5 years before hes ready to play! 
Posted on 12/8/14 at 4:31 pm to blueboxer1119
I kept hearing reporters say this past week stuff like, "The team is so relaxed." or "The team is so calm and confident coming from the pittsburgh win".
I knew that was a bad sign. This team's downfall is youth and naivety. The majority of guys that learned how to win games between 07' and '11 are now gone; and we have a bunch of kids who have no fire. And the leaders that are left lack desperation because they are on the way down from their peaks and they've accomplished so much already and know it.
I feel like the Sean Payton-Brees train definitely has one more run in them but I feel like it's going to be 2016 barring a major brees decline. There is just too many flaws and holes right now to think one yr is going to fix it.
I knew that was a bad sign. This team's downfall is youth and naivety. The majority of guys that learned how to win games between 07' and '11 are now gone; and we have a bunch of kids who have no fire. And the leaders that are left lack desperation because they are on the way down from their peaks and they've accomplished so much already and know it.
I feel like the Sean Payton-Brees train definitely has one more run in them but I feel like it's going to be 2016 barring a major brees decline. There is just too many flaws and holes right now to think one yr is going to fix it.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:15 pm to House_of Cards
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The offensive line coach has destroyed the offense. Bottom line.
Fixed it for you. Ingalls has no idea how to coach interior OL apparently.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:51 pm to blueboxer1119
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Colston has been horrible. I mean horrible. It's time to let him go.
I've said all along they should have kept Carl Nicks instead of resigning Colston. Our #1 draft picks have sucked for a long time. Starting with Robert Meachem. Boy Olson sure looked like shite yesterday. Whose the last 1st round pick we resigned?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 5:53 pm to alajones
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:16 pm to Pendulum
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I kept hearing reporters say this past week stuff like, "The team is so relaxed." or "The team is so calm and confident coming from the pittsburgh win". I knew that was a bad sign. This team's downfall is youth and naivety. The majority of guys that learned how to win games between 07' and '11 are now gone; and we have a bunch of kids who have no fire. And the leaders that are left lack desperation because they are on the way down from their peaks and they've accomplished so much already and know it. I feel like the Sean Payton-Brees train definitely has one more run in them but I feel like it's going to be 2016 barring a major brees decline. There is just too many flaws and holes right now to think one yr is going to fix it.
I agree- although I'm not sure if Brees is in decline- all those dropped passes are not entirely his fault
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:53 pm to PDgirl
The offensive line coach has destroyed the offense. Bottom line. 1000% true, but also agree that losing Sproles has hurt. Cadet was supposed to replace him.
Sproles has 1100 plus all purpose yards and 5 TDs.
Cadet has about half that and 1 TD.
The defensive line has destroyed the Defense, once again little pressure from front line leaving secondary to have to cover for more than 4 seconds which can not be down even with all pros due to rule changes. You live and die in the pits.
Sproles has 1100 plus all purpose yards and 5 TDs.
Cadet has about half that and 1 TD.
The defensive line has destroyed the Defense, once again little pressure from front line leaving secondary to have to cover for more than 4 seconds which can not be down even with all pros due to rule changes. You live and die in the pits.
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