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Questions The Result of the Midterms
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:25 pm
First, to those who think I'm some sort of flaming liberal who pretends to be otherwise, you can kiss my arse. 
I am serious about posters' opinions on the following questions.
Will Congress actually try to "repeal Obamacare"? If so, how? Blanket legislation? Will Obamacare still be in effect in, say, 2017?
Will Congress end up passing an immigration bill that will include a "pathway to citizenship" or what some people will call "amnesty"?
I am serious about posters' opinions on the following questions. Will Congress actually try to "repeal Obamacare"? If so, how? Blanket legislation? Will Obamacare still be in effect in, say, 2017?
Will Congress end up passing an immigration bill that will include a "pathway to citizenship" or what some people will call "amnesty"?
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Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:29 pm to VOR
frick a new "pathway to citizenship". We already have one.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:31 pm to VOR
I hope they just start de-funding as much as they can.
Then form some well-reasoned legislation to address both problems. - Hopefully one issue at a time e.g. immigration? = start with a rigorous border security bill. Once that is accomplished and proven to be effective, then begin discussion of what to do with the millions of illegals already here.
Health care? I would love to see a total repeal, but that is impossible with current POTUS and senate numbers. So - defund as much as can. neuter it. Then work for a GOP POTUS in 16 and start from scratch.
Then form some well-reasoned legislation to address both problems. - Hopefully one issue at a time e.g. immigration? = start with a rigorous border security bill. Once that is accomplished and proven to be effective, then begin discussion of what to do with the millions of illegals already here.
Health care? I would love to see a total repeal, but that is impossible with current POTUS and senate numbers. So - defund as much as can. neuter it. Then work for a GOP POTUS in 16 and start from scratch.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:33 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Health care? I would love to see a total repeal, but that is impossible with current POTUS and senate numbers. So - defund as much as can. neuter it. Then work for a GOP POTUS in 16 and start from scratch.
Thing is, some parts of the ACA are pretty popular. It'll be interesting to see how they handle it. I sort of think not much will happen, but who knows?
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:37 pm to VOR
No and No.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:38 pm to arcalades
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No and No.
That's probably the smart money bet.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:42 pm to VOR
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Will Congress actually try to "repeal Obamacare"?
Maybe
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If so, how? Blanket legislation?
No clue. I'm not even sure the GOP can agree among themselves. We could end up with competing plans from different factions, in which case the Democrats are effectively in control of the issue. Hard to say what they'll do--they may line up behind one of the GOP proposals, or they might let it burn and try to blame the Republicans for the meltdown.
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Will Obamacare still be in effect in, say, 2017?
Very likely. Obama will veto a repeal for sure. And he might veto any major overhaul because signing such a bill would be an admission that his administration's signature legislation is a failure.
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Will Congress end up passing an immigration bill that will include a "pathway to citizenship" or what some people will call "amnesty"?
Possible. Moderate Republicans might sign off on some form of amnesty and join the Democrats to get it passed. Probably depends on whether other provisions in the bill make it palatable to the more conservative factions.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:43 pm to VOR
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Will Congress actually try to "repeal Obamacare"? If so, how? Blanket legislation? Will Obamacare still be in effect in, say, 2017?
All of this depends on what the SCOTUS does next June. We'll have a clearer picture of what to do then. They could uphold the subsidies or pretty much gut ObamaCare and unravel the law entirely.
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Will Congress end up passing an immigration bill that will include a "pathway to citizenship" or what some people will call "amnesty"?
I fricking hope not. The laws we have are fine, they're just not being enorced.,
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:48 pm to VOR
Your an old liberal. ... fact
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:50 pm to VOR
No and no.
Congress isn't gonna do shite. Business as usual. Doesn't matter which party is in control. They aren't that different at theend of the day and are there to further their own ends.
Congress isn't gonna do shite. Business as usual. Doesn't matter which party is in control. They aren't that different at theend of the day and are there to further their own ends.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:51 pm to Mr.Perfect
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Your an old liberal. ... fact
Huh? Whuh?
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:19 pm to VOR
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some parts of the ACA are pretty popular
really?
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:23 pm to VOR
With McConnell and Boehner in charge, nothing substantial will ever happen.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:24 pm to VOR
quote:As has been said repeatedly, Obamacare will be effectively repealed by SCOTUS in March.
Will Congress actually try to "repeal Obamacare"?
quote:Why should they? "Pathway to citizenship" has nothing whatsoever to do with needed immigration reform. We have "pathways to citizenship" currently.
Will Congress end up passing an immigration bill that will include a "pathway to citizenship"
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:25 pm to Revelator
Obamacare is the mistress the repubs had to marry. They came up with it and they are going to keep it.
They won't do anything on immigration.
They won't do anything on immigration.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:30 pm to VOR
No on the ACA.
By the way, it was health insurance reform, not healthcare reform.
No way will they pass a pathway to citizenship. They might make a temporary worker status but, nothing more.
Obama and the democrats have idea how screwed they are politically for the remainder of Obama's term.
By the way, it was health insurance reform, not healthcare reform.
No way will they pass a pathway to citizenship. They might make a temporary worker status but, nothing more.
Obama and the democrats have idea how screwed they are politically for the remainder of Obama's term.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:32 pm to VOR
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some parts of the ACA are pretty popular.
Such as? Free contraception for the ladies?
What woman wouldn't find that popular? It's free....err subsidized by their male and female counterparts.Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:43 pm to idlewatcher
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Such as? Free contraception for the ladies? What woman wouldn't find that popular? It's free....err subsidized by their male and female counterparts.
No pre-existing condition discrimination.
Republicans won't be able to repeal it as any kid with leukemia or an adult with heart disease can won't be able to buy insurance like they can under the aca. Too many conservatives get sick and have sick kids.
They won't touch that.
The part about having no upper limit before an insurance company can drop you- tell me which repubs is going to stand up to the cost of a premature baby and say that it's the best thing for the insurance to drop them.
and the point is republicans support the aca. They haven't even tried to seriously repeal it. It's just noise.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:45 pm to mahdragonz
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Obamacare is the mistress the repubs had to marry. They came up with it
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:51 pm to lsuroadie
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really?
Yep.
Pre-existing conditions covered.
Children remaining on parents' policy until 26.
Wanna bet on the poll results for either of those two?
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