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Is the lack of new, catchy guitar riffs to blame for the gradual death of rock?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:10 am
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:10 am
It's seldom that I hear a worthwhile guitar riff anymore these days and I think that has always been one of the most accessible avenues for music listeners.
I understand that there are so many chord combinations and tunings out there, but it seems like the evolution of rock and metal has always been predicated on the progression of guitar riffs, both in complexity and tempo.
Thoughts?
I understand that there are so many chord combinations and tunings out there, but it seems like the evolution of rock and metal has always been predicated on the progression of guitar riffs, both in complexity and tempo.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:14 am to saint amant steve
rock is dead
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:18 am to saint amant steve
There's plenty of catchy guitar riffs being recorded. Rock isn't going anywhere.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 9:31 am
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:19 am to Brosef Stalin
It all comes in cycles
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:23 am to Brosef Stalin
That.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:30 am to saint amant steve
quote:
It's seldom that I hear a worthwhile guitar riff anymore these days
where are you listening?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:34 am to saint amant steve
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:54 am to saint amant steve
Rock is dead for two reasons:
1. because it doesn't "rock" hard enough for the meatheads to listen to it. Most of it now is indi pop that sounds like 80s underground techno or 70s singer/songwriter folk rock. The meatheads are now listening to older metal, nickelback, or bro country. Most rock these days feels very subdued, rather than raucus and out of control. A great example of what I mean would be comparing a good live Soul Rebels brass band show to a recording of the Preservation Hall Jazz band performing "Dinah". Both are great, but each have different appeals. Rock these days is either recycled garbage, or beautiful, but unexciting Dinah. It rarely makes you feel like a bullet proof badass anymore (Think rolling down the street in a 69 Camero blaring "Hair of the Dog"). Gangsta rap and hip/hop now is the primary musical manufacturer of that feeling for most teens and young adults.
2. because hot white girls can't/won't dance to it. In the bar and entertainment industry, the number one demographic is attractive white women between 18-35. Get them to come and the others will follow. That demographic loves music they can dance to. Rock in the 21st century rarely provides that, red dirt country, pop, and hip/hop does. Bars book bands based on who they can draw. Men go where the women are. Women go where they can dance. Bring in the women and the rest will follow. Rock doesn't bring in the women, country and pop does. Original music is thus stifled and stymied at the local level because it has trouble drawing patrons for bars. Knowing this, major record labels and radio stations play it safe with tried and true, unoffensive music, which isn't original, isn't cool, and surely doesn't "rock".
1. because it doesn't "rock" hard enough for the meatheads to listen to it. Most of it now is indi pop that sounds like 80s underground techno or 70s singer/songwriter folk rock. The meatheads are now listening to older metal, nickelback, or bro country. Most rock these days feels very subdued, rather than raucus and out of control. A great example of what I mean would be comparing a good live Soul Rebels brass band show to a recording of the Preservation Hall Jazz band performing "Dinah". Both are great, but each have different appeals. Rock these days is either recycled garbage, or beautiful, but unexciting Dinah. It rarely makes you feel like a bullet proof badass anymore (Think rolling down the street in a 69 Camero blaring "Hair of the Dog"). Gangsta rap and hip/hop now is the primary musical manufacturer of that feeling for most teens and young adults.
2. because hot white girls can't/won't dance to it. In the bar and entertainment industry, the number one demographic is attractive white women between 18-35. Get them to come and the others will follow. That demographic loves music they can dance to. Rock in the 21st century rarely provides that, red dirt country, pop, and hip/hop does. Bars book bands based on who they can draw. Men go where the women are. Women go where they can dance. Bring in the women and the rest will follow. Rock doesn't bring in the women, country and pop does. Original music is thus stifled and stymied at the local level because it has trouble drawing patrons for bars. Knowing this, major record labels and radio stations play it safe with tried and true, unoffensive music, which isn't original, isn't cool, and surely doesn't "rock".
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:10 am to saint amant steve
Phantom Limb - Alice In Chains
Withered Delilah
In Due Time - Killswitch
Beyond the Down - BLS
The entire new Sabbath album
Check out "Loner". You'll be tapping your foot. Guitar solo is perfect example of less is more.
I agree with you. Guitar riffage is less accessible now than it ever has been. The blues groove bands of the 70's like Zep, Skynyrd, Allman Bros, Aerosmith, ZZ Top and AC/DC up through the 80's hair metal and shredders were all very mainstream. There are great riffs out there all over the place, it's just not getting played anymore. The "rock" stations dont play rock music and the only way to get hard rock/metal consistently is through satellite radio. Well, someone that would have satellite radio would more than likely know exactly what they like and would be more musically inclined than the average music listener that's getting spoonfed crap everyday. The mainstream people that would have dug mainstream rock bands in the 80's are now getting fed bro country which suprisingly has alot of guitar riffage pushing into the pop-rock genre with hee-haw chickenshit lyrics.
Withered Delilah
In Due Time - Killswitch
Beyond the Down - BLS
The entire new Sabbath album
Check out "Loner". You'll be tapping your foot. Guitar solo is perfect example of less is more.
I agree with you. Guitar riffage is less accessible now than it ever has been. The blues groove bands of the 70's like Zep, Skynyrd, Allman Bros, Aerosmith, ZZ Top and AC/DC up through the 80's hair metal and shredders were all very mainstream. There are great riffs out there all over the place, it's just not getting played anymore. The "rock" stations dont play rock music and the only way to get hard rock/metal consistently is through satellite radio. Well, someone that would have satellite radio would more than likely know exactly what they like and would be more musically inclined than the average music listener that's getting spoonfed crap everyday. The mainstream people that would have dug mainstream rock bands in the 80's are now getting fed bro country which suprisingly has alot of guitar riffage pushing into the pop-rock genre with hee-haw chickenshit lyrics.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:15 am to kingbob
quote:
Rock is dead for two reasons
complete bullshite
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:19 am to kingbob
quote:
Rock is dead for two reasons:
1. because it doesn't "rock" hard enough for the meatheads to listen to it. Most of it now is indi pop that sounds like 80s underground techno or 70s singer/songwriter folk rock. The meatheads are now listening to older metal, nickelback, or bro country. Most rock these days feels very subdued, rather than raucus and out of control. A great example of what I mean would be comparing a good live Soul Rebels brass band show to a recording of the Preservation Hall Jazz band performing "Dinah". Both are great, but each have different appeals. Rock these days is either recycled garbage, or beautiful, but unexciting Dinah. It rarely makes you feel like a bullet proof badass anymore (Think rolling down the street in a 69 Camero blaring "Hair of the Dog"). Gangsta rap and hip/hop now is the primary musical manufacturer of that feeling for most teens and young adults.
2. because hot white girls can't/won't dance to it. In the bar and entertainment industry, the number one demographic is attractive white women between 18-35. Get them to come and the others will follow. That demographic loves music they can dance to. Rock in the 21st century rarely provides that, red dirt country, pop, and hip/hop does. Bars book bands based on who they can draw. Men go where the women are. Women go where they can dance. Bring in the women and the rest will follow. Rock doesn't bring in the women, country and pop does. Original music is thus stifled and stymied at the local level because it has trouble drawing patrons for bars. Knowing this, major record labels and radio stations play it safe with tried and true, unoffensive music, which isn't original, isn't cool, and surely doesn't "rock
Holy fck, I can't believe you just wrote all that bullshite. So much fail I don't even know where to begin.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:19 am to HeadyBrosevelt
agreed
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:20 am to HeadyBrosevelt
quote:
Holy fck, I can't believe you just wrote all that bullshite. So much fail I don't even know where to begin.
Should I have prefaced that I am talking about in the mainstream (i.e. popular culture, radio, ect)?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:38 am to kingbob
quote:
Should I have prefaced that I am talking about in the mainstream (i.e. popular culture, radio, ect)?
well mainstream music is really for kids. And it goes in and out of favor.
Rock will be back for the kids at some point but right now the 80s synth pop is the shite, along with shitty rap.
Rock is alive and well. This is the best time in my lifetime for music
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:38 am to Brosef Stalin
quote:+1
Rock isn't going anywhere.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:39 am to HeadyBrosevelt
quote:
Holy fck, I can't believe you just wrote all that bullshite. So much fail I don't even know where to begin.
What the frick are you talking about? He's pretty much spot on with that entire post.Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:42 am to JohnZeroQ
Riff heavy classic rock/metal is alive and well, you just have to find it.
Europe is in a big time renaissance of that style music right now.
Europe is in a big time renaissance of that style music right now.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:58 am to dnm3305
so much good rock music right now. just won't hear it on the mainstream FM channels.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:58 am to White Shadeaux
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:12 am to White Shadeaux
I know some on this board don't like them from their live shows but the new Umphrey's McGee album, Similar Skin, is a great new rock album. These guys really focused on making a great TRUE rock and roll album. Some great heavy riffs and some good soloing as well.
Their live show goes in a lot of different directions with electronic, jazzy, metal, folky improvisation involved but this new album is 100% rock and roll.
Check out Cut the Cable, Hourglass, Little Gift (featured on NBC Sunday Night Football) and for something more upbeat try No Diablo or Educated Guess.
I understand some of you may not like it, but hopefully some of you can head-bob to this.
Their live show goes in a lot of different directions with electronic, jazzy, metal, folky improvisation involved but this new album is 100% rock and roll.
Check out Cut the Cable, Hourglass, Little Gift (featured on NBC Sunday Night Football) and for something more upbeat try No Diablo or Educated Guess.
I understand some of you may not like it, but hopefully some of you can head-bob to this.
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