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Cop who shot Tamir Rice had Previous Issues
Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:44 am
Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:44 am
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Timothy Loehmann, the Cleveland police officer who shot and killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice within two seconds of encountering the boy, was deemed "unfit for duty" while serving on another police force. Supervisors specifically cited his "dismal" handgun performance and emotional instability when they forced him to resign in December 2012.
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:49 am to the808bass
He gone.
Again, I don't think it is a situation where there was a racial animus. This looks like straight up incompetent policing - they knew he was a loose cannon and brought him back on. Lots of folks are going down for that one.
(Although, again, parents - if you love your kids, you won't let them play with toy guys outside, or with toy guns with the red/orange what have you, ring to show the cops it is not a real gun.)
Again, I don't think it is a situation where there was a racial animus. This looks like straight up incompetent policing - they knew he was a loose cannon and brought him back on. Lots of folks are going down for that one.
(Although, again, parents - if you love your kids, you won't let them play with toy guys outside, or with toy guns with the red/orange what have you, ring to show the cops it is not a real gun.)
Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:51 am to Ace Midnight
I think the Orange tip thing is a red herring. The kid didn't get the gun out of his waistband. It could have had a flag that said "bang" on the end of it and he'd still be dead.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:53 am to the808bass
So...either Cleveland is really hard up for Police officers and ignored this warning sign or they didn't do a thorough background check before hiring this cop.
Either way, it's a terrible situation to be in.
I think that hiring cops just got infinitely harder in the past 6 months. Who in their right mind would want o subject themselves to that job. That's another problem. Not many want to subject themselves. It used to be a position of pride and respect.
Either way, it's a terrible situation to be in.
I think that hiring cops just got infinitely harder in the past 6 months. Who in their right mind would want o subject themselves to that job. That's another problem. Not many want to subject themselves. It used to be a position of pride and respect.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:54 am to the808bass
Of the 3 recent police cases, this was by far the worst to me. That cop was unreasonable in his actions and should be charged.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:54 am to the808bass
So maybe this is the story the protest should have the most support?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:57 am to the808bass
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I think the Orange tip thing is a red herring.
I just meant, generally. I'm not fully plugged into this one and, Ace Midnight's rule #1 "The first report is always wrong"
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The kid didn't get the gun out of his waistband.
Meh - if the cop saw him reach for it, the orange ring would have been irrelevant, but I don't know if the standard requires you allow the suspect to draw, merely that he express the intent and ability to resist with lethal force.
In any event, looks/sounds like another incident of overpolicing and having a cop on the street who pissed his pants at the first sign of trouble, instead of a calm, rational, mature, thoughtful human being (not all cops, mind you, but this cop).
Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:58 am to ApexTiger
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So maybe this is the story the protest should have the most support?
And there will still be cops defending the shoot.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 8:00 am to Ace Midnight
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if the cop saw him reach for it, the orange ring would have been irrelevant, but I don't know if the standard requires you allow the suspect to draw, merely that he express the intent and ability to resist with lethal force.
I'm not connecting it to the justifiable or lack thereof of the shoot. I'm just saying the focus on it is irrelevant for this case.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 8:09 am to the808bass
No reasonable person who is asked to respond to the following scene would do it in a manner the cops did:
"There is a 12 year old boy in a park with a gun. There is no one around him and he isn't threatening anyone directly."
Why would you think the obvious way to diffuse the situation is to drive your car right up on top of him at a high speed and jump out of the car with your gun drawn? Both of those cops should be behind bars.
"There is a 12 year old boy in a park with a gun. There is no one around him and he isn't threatening anyone directly."
Why would you think the obvious way to diffuse the situation is to drive your car right up on top of him at a high speed and jump out of the car with your gun drawn? Both of those cops should be behind bars.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 8:12 am to the808bass
Posted on 12/5/14 at 8:36 am to the808bass
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his "dismal" handgun performance and emotional instability
How does a department hire someone who lost his job based on this?!
It would be one thing if he passed a psych eval and had no record last this but for God's sake...
There was a whole lot of fail in this incident. Dispatcher failed to disclose the "it's probably not real" part of the caller's description of the gun.
And it seems from the video, the cops were in "active shooter" mode when that didn't seem to be the case.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 8:56 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Well the most glaring problem with that shooting was the fricktard driving the police cruiser who pulled up 10 feet away from a suspected gunman! If the moron driving would have stopped a hundred feet away and taken cover behind the car and spoken to the kid on the PA system/bullhorn, this shooting could have been avoided.
In any event, looks/sounds like another incident of overpolicing and having a cop on the street who pissed his pants at the first sign of trouble, instead of a calm, rational, mature, thoughtful human being (not all cops, mind you, but this cop).
I'm sure being in such close proximity to the kid when the cop exited the car was a huge factor in why he shot so quickly.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 8:57 am
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:07 am to C
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That cop was unreasonable in his actions and should be charged.
What's ridiculous is that if you get a call of someone brandishing a gun, why the hell would you drive your cruiser straight up to him?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:25 am to Rickety Cricket
quote:See my above post. I address this also. It was a retarded action.
What's ridiculous is that if you get a call of someone brandishing a gun, why the hell would you drive your cruiser straight up to him?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:50 pm to Rickety Cricket
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What's ridiculous is that if you get a call of someone brandishing a gun, why the hell would you drive your cruiser straight up to him?
I sure wouldn't.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:53 pm to bhtigerfan
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Well the most glaring problem with that shooting was the fricktard driving the police cruiser who pulled up 10 feet away from a suspected gunman! If the moron driving would have stopped a hundred feet away and taken cover behind the car and spoken to the kid on the PA system/bullhorn, this shooting could have been avoided.
I'm sure being in such close proximity to the kid when the cop exited the car was a huge factor in why he shot so quickly.
Excellent point. Cop mishandled the situation in so many ways.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:37 pm to Ace Midnight
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Again, I don't think it is a situation where there was a racial animus.
I think your phraseology sort of muddies the water. I don't think it was "racial animus" either. I do, however, think it's entirely possible that a cop seeing a black guy leads much more often to "shoot quickly" than when it's a white guy. And it's entirely possible to have a system that overall has a racial bias where very few or even none of the individual participants has any actual racial hatred in their heart.
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(Although, again, parents - if you love your kids, you won't let them play with toy guys outside, or with toy guns with the red/orange what have you, ring to show the cops it is not a real gun.)
Since when? Toy guns have been a staple for decades.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:38 pm to roadGator
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It used to be a position of pride and respect.
Which years in our history would you say this was true for?
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:41 pm to Sal Minella
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How does a department hire someone who lost his job based on this?!
It's not uncommon for police to be recycled. Seems there was an incident where an officer killed someone last year in Texas (I believe it was Texas) and it was found out he had been previously dismissed from another department. I know some departments do not release information pertaining to the departure of previous officers.
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