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Why Amnesties Fail
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:30 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:30 am
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In his book, "Why Government Fails So Often," Peter Schuck, a self-proclaimed liberal who worked for President Carter, explains:
[F]or a policy to be effective, people must believe that the government will discharge today's commitments in the future (usually in the medium or long term), yet the demands of democratic legitimacy and accountability require government to respond to changed conditions in that future in ways the will impair its credibility. ... The government may have good reasons to adopt an amnesty for tax evaders or undocumented immigrants, but unless it can persuade them that the amnesty is a one-time-policy, it simply encourages more people to evade taxes or come illegally in hopes of a future amnesty, which is precisely what has happened in both cases. (emphasis added)
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I suppose we'll get a new round of amnesty every 30 years or so?
My solution:
Have semi-open borders where you can come and go into the US as you please under watchful eye of DHS (primarily to prevent terrorism).
Repeal the 16th amendment.
Propose and pass a consumption tax amendment to the constitution.
Implement the Fair Tax.
Then EVERYONE that works or participates in the US economy PAYS taxes.
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:42 am to GumboPot
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Governing by executive order is no way to run an immigration policy, let alone an entire government. But the resort to unilateral action does not happen in a vacuum; it is borne out of poorly written, arbitrary and confusing laws. The GOP-controlled Congress should respond to Obama’s executive order by passing a bill that simplifies the immigration system.
Our immigration laws are “second only to the Internal Revenue Code in complexity,” according to California Associate Justice Harry E. Hull Jr. Like the income tax code, our immigration laws contain numerous provisions for the president to exercise arbitrary power, inflict cruel punishments for minor offenses and limit legal immigration with quota numbers seemingly picked by a random number generator.
Rampant unlawful immigration is the result of this legal mess.
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Rather than charging directly at Obama’s executive order, Republicans should circle behind him and offer their own reform package.”
Any set of laws this muddled and confused begs for one of two resolutions. The first is for the president to issue an executive order on dubious constitutional grounds to provide temporary relief for problems caused by a fundamentally broken system. The second resolution is for Congress to change those terrible laws and make them work so they don’t attract executive orders like honey attracts flies.
If Congress simply passed constructive and conservative immigration reform, it could effectively nullify the president’s executive action, guarantee that immigration reform will adhere to free-market principles and remove the future possibilities for executive overreaches on immigration. Only a simplification and liberalization of these laws will eliminate the unauthorized immigration mess that is prompting Obama’s executive order.
Immigration reform should reduce unlawful immigration by creating a functional guest worker visa program so workers can enter the country lawfully rather than having to sneak in as they currently do. A guest worker visa program in the 1950s decreased illegal immigration by 90 percent and it can do so again. Allowing more lawful immigration would allow the government to actually regulate who can and cannot enter.
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Obama's executive action may have poisoned the well and made sane reform impossible.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 9:44 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:49 am to cwill
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A guest worker visa program in the 1950s decreased illegal immigration by 90 percent
Wow.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:53 am to GumboPot
The problem with illegal immigration is the law.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:59 am to cwill
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The problem with illegal immigration is the law.
Admittedly, I'm too ignorant of the law to understand what needs to be fixed (like 99% of the people). With that said I work with people that have gone through the immigration process to become US citizens.
How do you fix the law without it being demonized as amnesty? Quite frankly I believe Obama is one of the main barriers to "immigration reform". He wants to keep the issue divisive (for political purposes).
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:01 am to GumboPot
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Have semi-open borders where you can come and go into the US as you please under watchful eye of DHS (primarily to prevent terrorism).
Repeal the 16th amendment.
Propose and pass a consumption tax amendment to the constitution.
Implement the Fair Tax.
Then EVERYONE that works or participates in the US economy PAYS taxes.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:40 am to GumboPot
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Admittedly, I'm too ignorant of the law to understand what needs to be fixed (like 99% of the people).
99.99% don't because the laws are byzantine and they don't address the most common illegal immigrant - the unskilled laborer.
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How do you fix the law without it being demonized as amnesty? Quite frankly I believe Obama is one of the main barriers to "immigration reform". He wants to keep the issue divisive (for political purposes).
Guest-worker program that is available to unskilled laborers....many don't want to live in the US, they want to work and then go home seasonally or permanently. The reason so many stay now is because the border is extremely difficult to cross despite what many posters here believe.
And, yes, Obama has poisoned the water, but to be fair both parties have used the issue in a divisive manner.
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