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Statistic Regarding the % of Grand Juries Who Render an Indictment
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:12 am
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:12 am
I was watching Face the Nation, and Norah O'Donnell said that out of 162,000 cases brought by fore grand juries (forgot the year), those grand juries failed to indict ONLY 11 times.
Now, maybe she misspoke and meant to say 11,000 times, which would still be a very small percentage. But, she said these juries failed to indict only 11 times.
And yet, the agenda-driven Ferguson agitators are now whining because they claim the grand jury process is flawed.
Now, maybe she misspoke and meant to say 11,000 times, which would still be a very small percentage. But, she said these juries failed to indict only 11 times.
And yet, the agenda-driven Ferguson agitators are now whining because they claim the grand jury process is flawed.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:19 am to KCT
Im a total layman here - but isn't it normal for a case to be given to the grand jury with a recommendation for indictment - the DA actually tries to persuade the GJ to render a true bill.
I wonder how many times a case is just handed to the GJ with no recommendation at all = here;s a bunch of evidence - see if you can find a cause for indictment in there.
It was my impression that the Ferguson case was a no-brainer 'no indictment' situation, but if the DA alone had made that decision, all hell would have broken loose - he would have had to resign and move. So he chose an apparently politically safe route and just gave all the evidence over to the GJ and let them be the bad guy.
All hell still broke loose but at least the DA still has his job. The race baiters have to be content with ruing just one innocent life - Derron Wilson
screw all these ignorant bastards - with Obama and Holder at the top of the list. They could have put the damper on all this but they instead brought extra gasoline.
I wonder how many times a case is just handed to the GJ with no recommendation at all = here;s a bunch of evidence - see if you can find a cause for indictment in there.
It was my impression that the Ferguson case was a no-brainer 'no indictment' situation, but if the DA alone had made that decision, all hell would have broken loose - he would have had to resign and move. So he chose an apparently politically safe route and just gave all the evidence over to the GJ and let them be the bad guy.
All hell still broke loose but at least the DA still has his job. The race baiters have to be content with ruing just one innocent life - Derron Wilson
screw all these ignorant bastards - with Obama and Holder at the top of the list. They could have put the damper on all this but they instead brought extra gasoline.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:22 am to KCT
If this were a normal saw it would of never made it to grand jury!
It did just to show and expose the truth and to leave no doubt about lying witnesses that the media swarmed on.
It did just to show and expose the truth and to leave no doubt about lying witnesses that the media swarmed on.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:32 am to KCT
Since the grand just only hears the prosecution's case, naturally they will overwhelmingly vote to indict, which shows how weak this shite really was.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:37 am to Elcid96
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If this were a normal saw it would of never made it to grand jury!
I'm going to guess a civilian would have had more of a legal problem if he'd shot Brownie.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:51 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:You've got it. That's hardly ever the case. Mostly the prosecutor will pick a handful of strong witness statements / documents and rarely call the defendant at all. If they do, it'll be a quick and harsh cross-examination.
Im a total layman here - but isn't it normal for a case to be given to the grand jury with a recommendation for indictment - the DA actually tries to persuade the GJ to render a true bill.
I wonder how many times a case is just handed to the GJ with no recommendation at all = here;s a bunch of evidence - see if you can find a cause for indictment in there.
As an attorney, I'm not upset by the lack of an indictment in this particular case. What upsets me is that this isn't done for every defendant. Grand juries normally have no right to hear exculpatory evidence and usually if a witness attempts to testify they will get a hard cross-examination; Wilson's read like the ADA was acting as his defense counsel. The victim's coroner got a tougher cross-examination than the defendant.
There are a lot of ordinary people who would appreciate the "deluxe" version of due process afforded to Wilson in this particular case. Many cases that get thrown out at trial or a same-day acquittal by the petit jury would've never gotten there in the first place if the grand jury had the entire file.
This post was edited on 11/30/14 at 10:53 am
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:51 am to KCT
Doesn't that call for more intense scrunity of the grand jury process, since an non indictment is so rare?
This DA has indicted a cop killer once in 4 tries, plus his daddy got killed by a Black man in the 60s. We say all these cases are antecodal, and should not play a part in any decisions making..but we are all humans. So to think we don't detach our own personal sentiments from fact is just ignorant of the basic human condition.
The assistants DA gave the jury old outdated and constitutional law about cops rights to shoot fleeing subjects right before Wilsons testimony. But they came back a couple weeks later and presented them with the new updated and constitutional law. When asked to explain the differences in the old and new law, she refused to do so.
So what premise did the jury's judge the law and facts under ? That's debatable, but the law must meet his facts. This is one example where vagueness may have helped push this case to a non indictment (in addition to the DAs odd behavior of not giving the jurors a set of penalties to think about indicting Wilson on)
This DA has indicted a cop killer once in 4 tries, plus his daddy got killed by a Black man in the 60s. We say all these cases are antecodal, and should not play a part in any decisions making..but we are all humans. So to think we don't detach our own personal sentiments from fact is just ignorant of the basic human condition.
The assistants DA gave the jury old outdated and constitutional law about cops rights to shoot fleeing subjects right before Wilsons testimony. But they came back a couple weeks later and presented them with the new updated and constitutional law. When asked to explain the differences in the old and new law, she refused to do so.
So what premise did the jury's judge the law and facts under ? That's debatable, but the law must meet his facts. This is one example where vagueness may have helped push this case to a non indictment (in addition to the DAs odd behavior of not giving the jurors a set of penalties to think about indicting Wilson on)
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:53 am to StrongSafety
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The assistants DA gave the jury old outdated and constitutional law about cops rights to shoot fleeing subjects right before Wilsons testimony.
He
Wasn't
Fleeing
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:54 am to StrongSafety
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StrongSafety
Still waiting on an answer
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:56 am to Iosh
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Many cases that get thrown out at trial or a same-day acquittal by the petit jury would've never gotten there in the first place if the grand jury had the entire file.
So, as another laymen here, why wouldn't this be the preferred way to go? What would the assets and the liabilities be to expose more "evidence" to a GJ in order to speed up the legal process?
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:58 am to Iosh
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Wilson's read like the ADA was acting as his defense counsel. The victim's coroner got a tougher cross-examination than the defendant.
How do you feel about that? The ADAs questions set a stage for Wilsons narrative IMO. It was odd to me because it appeared as if the ADA was doing more to protect wilson than to indict him.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:58 am to StrongSafety
Lol
Do you just make shite up? You need to be interviewed by cnn
Do you just make shite up? You need to be interviewed by cnn
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:58 am to StrongSafety
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This DA has indicted a cop killer once in 4 tries.
Do you mean a cop who killed someone or someone who killed a cop?
Posted on 11/30/14 at 11:00 am to Bestbank Tiger
Nope!
Everyone has a right to defend themselves.
Everyone has a right to defend themselves.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 11:02 am to StrongSafety
It was odd to you because you are ignorant as hell on the process and the law! No surprise. This case has exposed the ignorant talking heads as well.
The Da job is to expose facts the grand jury job is to indict
The Da job is to expose facts the grand jury job is to indict
This post was edited on 11/30/14 at 11:04 am
Posted on 11/30/14 at 11:15 am to Iosh
As has been said, the DA did not want to seek an indictment. His view was no charges were necessary. The grand jury was simply to appease race baiters and the emotionally irrational. Whether he was successful or not is obviously up for debate.
Imo, Wilson actually suffered more scrutiny than normal because the da's actions increased the chances he would be indicted by bringing it before the grand jury in the first place. He was not afforded more beneficial due process as you claim.
Imo, Wilson actually suffered more scrutiny than normal because the da's actions increased the chances he would be indicted by bringing it before the grand jury in the first place. He was not afforded more beneficial due process as you claim.
This post was edited on 11/30/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 11/30/14 at 11:18 am to KCT
They keep trotting out the federal grand jury statistics which don't have any relation to state grand juries.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 11:23 am to Iosh
quote:I'm guessing you don't know much about the victim's "coroner". Here's a little bit of useful information.
The victim's coroner got a tougher cross-examination than the defendant.
quote:
Parcells doesn’t claim to have any specific license or certification to do the work he does. He knows how to do autopsies from “on-the-job training,” watching pathologists and assisting them at various morgues, he said. Sometimes he’s been paid for this work and sometimes he wasn’t, he added.
quote:LINK
“First of all, I’m Professor Shawn Parcells,” Parcells said as he stood to address the reporters.
On his LinkedIn page and to CNN, Parcells said he’s an adjunct professor at Washburn University in Topeka, Kansas — but a spokeswoman for the university told CNN that’s not true.
“(Parcells) is not now and has never been a member of the Washburn University faculty,” university spokeswoman Michaela Saunders wrote in an email to CNN, adding that at one point, Parcells spoke without receiving pay to two groups of nursing students about the role of a pathologist’s assistant and gave a PowerPoint presentation and answered students’ questions.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 11:33 am to Politiceaux
quote:Baden testified before the grand jury, not his dipshit assistant.
I'm guessing you don't know much about the victim's "coroner". Here's a little bit of useful information.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 11:35 am to Paluka
*hasnt. A cop that has killed a citizen
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