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re: Christian conservatives plot political revival in 2016
Posted on 11/27/14 at 7:54 am to Bestbank Tiger
Posted on 11/27/14 at 7:54 am to Bestbank Tiger
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I agree with one caveat -- the left has been sticking its nose into social issues the past few years and someone needs to stand up to them. Forcing your values on others through government violence is wrong whether you're Rick Santorum or Sandra Fluke.
I agree, but if the religious right would stop with the bullshat stuff (like the ms bill a few years ago that banned anything that might interfere with a fetus) Sandra Fluke types would look so stupid nobody would pay them any attention.
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Posted on 11/27/14 at 8:33 am to Green Chili Tiger
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The GOP is going to frick this up and not let Rand get the nomination.
Or possibly, his pre-ww1 view of foreign policy.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 9:42 am to UL-SabanRival
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Or possibly, his pre-ww1 view of foreign policy.
He can point to numerous examples of how our interventionist foreign policy has come back to bite us. And even s lot of Republicans are tired of our endless military campaigns.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 11:44 am to Bestbank Tiger
One extreme should not be replaced with another. I wasn't exaggerating. He is very close to a pre-ww1 isolationist. Other than that, I agree with almost all of his policies.
If it's Hillary and Jeb, I'm fricking moving.
If it's Hillary and Jeb, I'm fricking moving.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 6:32 pm to UL-SabanRival
Rand isn't an isolationist. He's strictly non interference in the sense of staying away from influencing the internal developments of other nations but seeking commerce, trade and sharing knowledge with other nations. Isolationists do not want trade and commerce with other nations.
There is a difference between non-interference and isolationism.
There is a difference between non-interference and isolationism.
Posted on 11/27/14 at 6:43 pm to Sentrius
I keep telling ya'll, the evangelical Christian vote represents 25-28% for the electorate.
Blow off the Christian vote & the GOP is a permanent minority party.
You will have the likes of shiela lee jackson, maxine waters, howard dean, debbie wasserman and other far left loons running this country.
Blow off the Christian vote & the GOP is a permanent minority party.
You will have the likes of shiela lee jackson, maxine waters, howard dean, debbie wasserman and other far left loons running this country.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:39 am to Bestbank Tiger
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the left has been sticking its nose into social issues the past few years and someone needs to stand up to them
Try since the 1930s
Posted on 11/28/14 at 5:03 pm to WinnPtiger
Huckabee is the most economic populist of the Christian Right and if we have to have a Republican president he'd do the least harm.
I think he'd be more compassionate to the unemployed and poor than Bush or Romney and that he'd actually care about regular everyday people.
I do worry about his Southern Baptist leanings and wonder how ecumenical he is towards Catholics and mainstream protestants and if he's putting on an act in this comments about Pope John Paul II.
I think he'd be more compassionate to the unemployed and poor than Bush or Romney and that he'd actually care about regular everyday people.
I do worry about his Southern Baptist leanings and wonder how ecumenical he is towards Catholics and mainstream protestants and if he's putting on an act in this comments about Pope John Paul II.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:52 pm to WeeWee
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:beginrant: As a Christian and a conservative, I would just like to tell the religious right or "Christian conservative" to freak off. Stop pissing ppl off by shoving your beliefs down their throat, just like you get pissed off when ppl shove their beliefs down your throat. Abortion and gay marriage are sins but guess what they not you have to answer for those sins, you have to answer to yours. The democrats would never ever win another national election if you left abortion and gay marriage and other religious issues out of out of it. That is all. :endrant:
And the Fundy Muslims will call off their suicidal jihad and we can save millions of lives if us Christians will just get off our high-horse belief that Jesus Christ is the "only begotten, with power to forgive".
I doubt that Christians care if people abort (infanticide), WE...just that they don't want their money payin for it. And they damn sure don't want Gays or the Government telling them how to interpret their Bible; or punishing them if they don't play ball. "Congress shall make NO LAW...".
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:53 am to WeeWee
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WeeWee
I did not realize that having a biblical world view regarding the sanctity of life and the plan and purpose for marriage was so offensive to you and the public in general. Will keep that in mind in the future. Need to make sure we win those elections regardless as to my faith in Jesus Christ, the only one true God and king who is sovereign over all.
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Posted on 11/29/14 at 2:01 pm to Green Chili Tiger
quote:they canceled the primaries?
The GOP is going to frick this up and not let Rand get the nomination.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 2:03 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Indeed. You're free to have any religion you like as long as you keep it in the closet. You know, kinda like how we used to treat homosexuality.
I did not realize that having a biblical world view regarding the sanctity of life and the plan and purpose for marriage was so offensive to you and the public in general.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:24 pm to Taxing Authority
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The GOP is going to frick this up and not let Rand get the nomination.
they canceled the primaries?
Good response. All of this talk about "they" are going to take the nomination away from Rand is downright naive. The nominee will be chosen by the voters via the primary/caucus system - just as it should be.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:46 pm to WeeWee
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The democrats would never ever win another national election if you left abortion and gay marriage and other religious issues out of out of it.
The truest thing ever said on this board. Disaffected republicans like me would never have run fleeing from the party had the moronic christian right taken over.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:53 pm to Eurocat
Though they are not mirror images of each other, the Huckabee/Santorum effect is highly predictable. Huckabee won the Iowa caucus in 2008 when Santorum was not in the field, and Santorum won it in 2012 when Huckabee was not in the field. They both won the same percentage of primary/caucus votes nationwide (primarily the religious right folks) on their way to losing the nomination.
And when I say "the same percentage", I mean it literally - Huckabee got 20.43% of the vote in 2008 and Santorum got 20.43% of the vote in 2012.
That's pretty much the ceiling on the Christian Conservative primary vote - 20% +/-, and the candidates know it. They run in an effort to be heard on their issues, not under any pretense of actually winning the nomination. The problem with that in 2016 is that there will be so many viable candidates early on that there simply won't be enough $$$ available to "issue" candidates. Huckabee could get good numbers in Iowa and South Carolina in February, 2016, but very soon after that he would falter badly. He has zero chance at the nomination and he knows it; he's not delusional. I don't think he's even up for the fight anymore, but is only contemplating a run because his supporters are relentless. If he can find a reasonable excuse to back away without making his followers feel rejected, I think he will do so. He may announce a run, but I could easily seem him begging off early on, perhaps for health reasons.
And when I say "the same percentage", I mean it literally - Huckabee got 20.43% of the vote in 2008 and Santorum got 20.43% of the vote in 2012.
That's pretty much the ceiling on the Christian Conservative primary vote - 20% +/-, and the candidates know it. They run in an effort to be heard on their issues, not under any pretense of actually winning the nomination. The problem with that in 2016 is that there will be so many viable candidates early on that there simply won't be enough $$$ available to "issue" candidates. Huckabee could get good numbers in Iowa and South Carolina in February, 2016, but very soon after that he would falter badly. He has zero chance at the nomination and he knows it; he's not delusional. I don't think he's even up for the fight anymore, but is only contemplating a run because his supporters are relentless. If he can find a reasonable excuse to back away without making his followers feel rejected, I think he will do so. He may announce a run, but I could easily seem him begging off early on, perhaps for health reasons.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 11/29/14 at 4:02 pm to asurob1
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republicans like me
Posted on 11/29/14 at 5:21 pm to asurob1
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Disaffected republicans like me would never have run fleeing from the party had the moronic christian right taken over.
Let's not pretend that it's jut social issues keeping you away from the party. They still oppose single payer and socialism in general, support free markets that you hate, and they oppose amnesty which I recall you supporting.
But by all means, keep carrying yourself on as a republican.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 5:29 pm to Taxing Authority
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Indeed. You're free to have any religion you like as long as you keep it in the closet. You know, kinda like how we used to treat homosexuality.
Hmmm.
Yeah, not going to happen.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 5:31 pm to asurob1
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moronic
The irony.
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